spewery?

[n.s.]

LIve 12-24.

SB is pretty bad, but not totally braindead. He's the kind of goofball that likes to cap PF when it's 3-bets to him, practically regardless of his holdings.

CO is a solid tag and one of the better players at the table. His post-flop play is a wee bit tight-passive, but just a little bit. PF, I've never seen him raise and fold when it comes back 2 more to him - I think he knows how lightly people can cap in multi-way pots, so he figures any hand worth a raise is worth calling the cap.

The rest of the players in the hand are decent but play too many hands and tend to call too many bets pre-flop.

PF Hero is button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 limps, folds to CO, <font color="red">CO raises</font>. <font color="red">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="red">SB caps</font>, BB calls, everyone calls.

Flop 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img](5 players, 20 SB)
checks around

Turn J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img](5 players, 10 BB)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">CO bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>...

[AragornX151]

Given your description of this guy, he probably both has a hand here and will be smart enough to realize you wouldn't check an overpair on this flop against so many opponents. Plus there are three players left to act, though they haven't shown any strength; I'd let it go here. I'd rather just bet the flop when checked to you, and take a free turn.

[jba]

I think betting the flop accomplishes what you're trying to do a lot better than what you've done. if I'm co i'm shrugging and calling down with 33.

[brick]

I think CO would need to be a very weak tight player to make this move correct.

Here's a shot at the math if he raises 88+ and would always cap AA and KK, and always fold 99 and TT.

AJ - 9 combinations remain
QQ - 6 combinations
JJ - 3 combinations
88 - 3 combinations
99 - 6 combinations
TT - 6 combinations

21 combinations beat you. 12 will fold.
you're investing 2 to win 11. so it seems +EV against a really tight player.

[drbk2]

Yeah just bet the flop. You get CO to fold all his nothing hands, but if he has anything then anyone here would know that you have nothing and you get called down.

[n.s.]

Don't forget that it was capped PF before CO had a chance, so I don't think we can rule out AA or KK (I wouldn't expect him to check the flop with these hands, but I wouldn't expect a check from QQ either). That's another 12 combos that beat me (and will never fold), making the raise even less likely to work.

The more I think about this, the less I like it. He'd have to put me on pretty much exactly AJ to fold any sort of hand at all, and he knows that I'm not 3-betting him PF with AJ.

The weird thing is that while he knows I shouldn't have an overpair because of my flop check, I can say the same thing about him. At time, I really thought he might have AK as well and I could save myself half the pot by raising.

[brick]

oops, I missed that! Also, I don't see this player betting an unimproved AK or AQ here. Next hand.

[jogger08152]

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Yeah just bet the flop. You get CO to fold all his nothing hands, but if he has anything then anyone here would know that you have nothing and you get called down.

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What hands do you think CO is folding to a flop bet?

[jogger08152]

Do you ever check this flop with any pp's, AA-88 (assuming you could be in there with 88, given your 3-bet pf)? If you would check here with these hands some of the time, this isn't a terrible raise, though it's probably still fairly bad. (With non-Ace overs and/or one less villain, I'd like it more.)

If you would never check behind on the flop with the goods, and if villain(s) know this, you're spewing.

[n.s.]

Okay, so it looks like I boned this one pretty bad - I suspected as much at the time, but I wanted to be sure.

The results are that CO 3-bet the turn and I folded. At first I wondered if maybe he saw my bluff for what it was and was re-bluffing me, but then I remembered what someone said in another thread (I think it was howmany) - "Don't be a retard and out think yourself", so I just cut my losses and let it go.

So here's a question for you all - what do you think CO had? Maybe JJ that got scared on the flop and got lucky on the turn? AA/KK that he decided to get tricky with for some reason? I'm having a hard time putting him on a hand.