JJ in RR pot vs a seemingly concieted player.

[ronitonline]

Villian is 20/20/2 seems to 3bet a lot and BTN raise a lot.
He has 3bet me before, I believe this is the first time I 3bet him, but he could take it as I am coming after him.


This hand was from before, I put him on absolute air, he seems like the type of player who just wont let himself be pushed around, seems like he will float a lot just to push you around and be like "yeah I'm a pimp"

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">ronitonline (SB): $99</font>
BB: $96.30
UTG: $104.60
MP: $191.05
<font color="black">CO: $240.80</font>
BTN: $281.55

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> ronitonline is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $3.50</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">ronitonline raises to $11</font>, BB folds, CO calls $7.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($23) A 2 T (2 Players)
<font color="red">ronitonline bets $18</font>, CO calls $18

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($59) A 2 T 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
ronitonline checks, <font color="red">CO bets $36</font>, ronitonline folds
Uncalled bet of $36 returned to CO

Pot Size: $59 ($2.95 Rake)





HAND IN QUESTION IS BELOW


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $271
<font color="black">ronitonline (BB): $200.60</font>
UTG: $95.05
MP: $100
CO: $76.90
<font color="black">BTN: $244.60</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> ronitonline is dealt J J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $1, <font color="red">BTN raises to $4.50</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">ronitonline raises to $16</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $11.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($33.50) 3 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">ronitonline bets $25</font>, BTN calls $25

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($83.50) 3 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 (2 Players)
<font color="red">ronitonline bets $50</font>

Pot Size: $83.50 ($3 Rake)

[ManChild]

if your read is strong, then why not check the turn and let him try to steal it

[ronitonline]

That is a good point, at the time though I just wanted to protect my hand.

[shpanko]

I agree, you make a lot more with a turn c/c or even c/r than a turn bet. I guess if he thinks you're steaming he might call you down a bit lighter than usual but I don't see him calling another large turn bet with 55-88, TT maybe.

I don't think you want to build a large pot 200 bb's deep is another reason you should be checking here. If all the money ends up in the middle you're probably going to be behind. Why not let him bet worse hands if he likes to float? I'd like your turn bet more as a legit second barrel with air/A high than with a hand with good SD value like JJ

[carnivalhobo]

protect it from what? 6 out draws? if he called with AK it was to float you, not call down with high cards c.r turn.

just realized it was deeper. c/c and maybe lead river seems good.

[ronitonline]

I can def see how your line is much better.
I dunno, at the time I was just mad I guess that I thought he bluffed me earlier, and was kinda like "[censored] you take this" hahaha. I wanted a call TBH, I didnt think of c/c or c/r and yes being so deep this was also much better line.

[Scaramouche]

1)Hand 1 is very different because of the Ace.
2)I don't think people float very often in RR pots.
3)You beat just TT and air.
4)Your stacks are deep and with a small overpair you don't want to play a big pot.

So I don't find a reason to bet here. I check/fold most of the time, and in this case check\call and fold to a river bet.

[ronitonline]

That is pretty mega weak given my read.

[Scaramouche]

Why?
If he has air you think he will bet the river?
If you are so sure c\call turn and c\call river, but I didn't see very often a bluff like this. In most cases if he will bluff the turn will gave up on the river.

[ronitonline]

The point is he floats, if he floats flop, then checks turn, then bets river, I just have to assume he slowplayed a big hand like QQ/KK/AA??????

Checking turn and folding to most rivers = mega weak IMO.

Given my read.