AK squeeze facing 4 bet from coldcaller WTF... deep :(

ArgusSpets · #1 06-01-2007, 08:31 PM

villain lag, no good sample size though...
just push PF? Note were deep!!! check down if possible? comments on weak turn bet please...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) by Hand Converter CG

saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($47.60)
UTG ($100.35)
MP ($166.65)
Button ($184.60)
Hero ($194.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, MP raises to $3, Button calls $3, Hero raises to $15, BB folds, MP folds, Button raises to $45, Hero calls $30.

Flop: ($94) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($94) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $30, Button raises to $70, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $194
Main Pot: $154, won by Button.
Pot 2: $40, returned to Button.

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Button wins $194. 

WTF?

aislephive · #2 06-01-2007, 08:33 PM

Holy crap shove preflop.

Turn bet-fold just made me throw up in my mouth.

ArgusSpets · #3 06-01-2007, 08:39 PM

[img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] you push nearly 200bb here? maybe he misclicked the call or some "super tricky" AA/KK idiot? Im not even ahead of small pp's?
Just check through as played?

aislephive · #4 06-01-2007, 08:42 PM

Oh my bad, I misread stack sizes. His line is so wierd, I would still probably shove here and feel good about it.

Turn bet fold is still terrible.

Dire · #5 06-01-2007, 08:45 PM

Shoving for 200BB preflop is incredibly bad play since you're only called when beat - and when called you're drawing damn close to dead. The read was that the guy is a lag over a small sample - shoving is just plain bad. The options are call or fold. I don't feel comfortable in this spot with AK OOP deep stacked against an aggressive player so I would fold. Yip, it's weak - but it's way better than shoving and I'm not convinced I could make calling +EV.

cs3 · #6 06-01-2007, 08:50 PM

calling PF sucks. youre out of position!!! youre not geting paid off when you hit an A or K but you often get stacked. he has AA/KK more often than you think especially if youve been squeezing from the blinds with any regularity.

betting 1/3 pot on the turn sucks more than calling PF. wtf? once you get here like you did either:
- give up and ch/f,
- ch/rai (meh),
- or bet out but NOT a limpwristed donk bet (also meh)

i think folding PF is best when youre this deep. but if you really really want to continue (you shouldn't) you have to just push PF and hope he folds

aislephive · #7 06-01-2007, 08:54 PM

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Shoving for 200BB preflop is incredibly bad play since you're only called when beat - and when called you're drawing damn close to dead. The read was that the guy is a lag over a small sample - shoving is just plain bad. The options are call or fold. I don't feel comfortable in this spot with AK OOP deep stacked against an aggressive player so I would fold. Yip, it's weak - but it's way better than shoving and I'm not convinced I could make calling +EV.

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Getting it in with AK here really isn't bad at all given his line of calling a 3x raise in position then 4 betting what looks like an obvious squeeze play. I don't think he will have AA/KK here hardly at all. And we have good equity against a lot of his range, and I think his line is completely air a decent amount of the time as well.

Folding is fine, but shoving is definitely not terrible.

reup · #8 06-01-2007, 08:59 PM

shove pf, youre sometimes flipping sometimes dominate him, rarely or never crushed. his button call pf is sooo weak given his stats shove please.

Dire · #9 06-01-2007, 09:42 PM

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shove pf, youre sometimes flipping sometimes dominate him, rarely or never crushed. his button call pf is sooo weak given his stats shove please.

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Don't confuse his calling range with his squeezing range.

orange · #10 06-02-2007, 12:00 AM

pf is nasty.