QQ with 3-bet cold-caller, very connected board

[n0ctu2ne]

This was the second hand my opponent played after sitting down, and I was really stumped. Villain's turn raise immediately made me slow down, since he cold-called the 3-bet before the flop. Thoughts? I keep freezing up in these situations.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.25/$0.5
8 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (10.4SB, 5 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.2BB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (10.2BB, 4 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

nh. im not sure what you expected to do differently?

your ahead of exactly JJ. behind every other pocket pair down to 55.

is this a TT bad beat post?

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

wow... i board read good... lol we are ahead of TT.

still all standard tho

[OrigamiSensei]

Check your hand record here - the converter screwed up. I don't see what UTG did on the flop after CO's call and the number of players is messed up throughout. My best guess at the moment from what I can see is a slowplayed set of nines or he hit a set of sevens on the turn.

[rounding_cynic]

*Grunching*

This is a close one for be, between calling and raising. I probably would've called, putting my opponent on slowplaying a flopped set since most micro-limit players would call such a PFR w/ low-med pocket pairs. Them having 86s is probable too but this is why reads are so important. Some micro limit players would gleefully call with suited connectors while others toss them without hesitation. However, he may turn over JJ or TT, thinking that you missed the flop and turn w/ AK AQ and the sort. Not having any reads prevents me from raising, but the large pot and decent hand prevents me from folding, so i'd call.

Check and call the river so you can see the opponent's cards, i find it extremely valuable info to see what hand he would coldcall a 3-bet PFR with or if he's one to slowplay.

Even if you lose the pot, getting a read from seeing his hand at SD makes up for it somewhat IMHO.

[Dr. Matt]

I like it.

[Guitierez]

Since betting until getting raised, and calling down from there was the correct move, this becomes the *unofficial* hand reading challenge.

I'd wonder why he didn't cap preflop and put villain on either AA or KK, slowplayed on the cheap street. 99 doesn't seem to be in the standard 3betting range but lagish villain could have it. QQ or JJ are unlikely. This is definitely a big PP and not AK, AQ.

Always assuming a standard player. Without reads anything is possible though.

[KingOtter]

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Since betting until getting raised, and calling down from there was the correct move, this becomes the *unofficial* hand reading challenge.

I'd wonder why he didn't cap preflop and put villain on either AA or KK, slowplayed on the cheap street. 99 doesn't seem to be in the standard 3betting range but lagish villain could have it. QQ or JJ are unlikely. This is definitely a big PP and not AK, AQ.

Always assuming a standard player. Without reads anything is possible though.

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Sometimes if I'm CO in this hand and I have QQ/KK/AA I cold-call and see if the first raiser caps to get a better read on his hand range... specially if he's reaal tight.

[n0ctu2ne]

Couple of inconsistencies in his play:

If villain had AA or KK, I would think he would have capped, knowing that I and my other pre-flop opponent would have called. Therefore with his call, I found that strange that he wouldn't raise for value, especially if he did have AA or KK.

When we got to the river, I would be all but convinced I was beat.

[sharpie]

thuper thdandard.