AQ TP vs a tag reraiser mw

[DavidC]

First cold-caller is 80/20/1.5 and bad, but not terrible, post-flop.

Second CCer is passive tag stats after like 25 hands.

Reraiser is 19/9/2.5 with 33 asb over like 250 hands.

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (13SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 2 folds, SB calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, intending to call river bet, or bet, on any card.

[DavidC]

Talking with BBB over aim, here's what he said:

(00:16:55) BigBadBabar: ugh
(00:16:57) BigBadBabar: bet the turn

(00:19:18) BigBadBabar: his range here is way more than ak

(00:20:00) BigBadBabar: he could have a lot of pps
(00:20:03) BigBadBabar: or worse aces
(00:20:05) BigBadBabar: or kq or something
(00:20:31) BigBadBabar: and we have a good hand so value bet it

00:21:10) Nit: he's 19/9/2.5 over 215 hands, full ring, what Ax worse than mine does he have?

(00:21:19) BigBadBabar: like i said
(00:21:20) BigBadBabar: 77+
(00:21:24) BigBadBabar: good aces
(00:21:31) BigBadBabar: or kq maybe
(00:21:39) BigBadBabar: that's my range and im tighter than that

(00:21:44) BigBadBabar: and its your range too right?
(00:21:55) Nit: um, no, with KQ I call there

(00:22:02) BigBadBabar: kqs
(00:22:05) BigBadBabar: i 3ball some
(00:22:09) BigBadBabar: 77+ same

(00:22:12) Nit: KQs I don't mind three-betting
(00:22:22) Nit: but on that board, if I bet the flop, it's KQs of trump = 1 hand

Note: I would call pairs below 99 there all the time, call 99 most often, and raise TT always. To be honest, I think 99 is an easy three-bet, but I may not do it at game speed.

(00:22:22) BigBadBabar: until you know a guy is tricky
(00:22:26) BigBadBabar or whatever
(00:22:31) BigBadBabar: straightforward valuebetting play
(00:22:34) BigBadBabar : gets the monies
(00:22:38) Nit: true
(00:22:46) BigBadBabar: you can quote me on that
(00:22:48) BigBadBabar: in the post

[DavidC]

One of the things that I asked BBB (no answer on this, so I'm asking you guys) is whether or not my line would be more appropriate on a rainbow board than 2tn.

[tyler_cracker]

babar's range is a little optimistic (3betting oop into a crowd with 77?), but definitely bet turn for value and call down to further aggression.

my answer is the same for a rainbow board.

[DavidC]

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babar's range is a little optimistic (3betting oop into a crowd with 77?), but definitely bet turn for value and call down to further aggression.

my answer is the same for a rainbow board.

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I might be convinced to agree.

Firstly, the flop is a clear raise for overlay vs the other two players, which is why it's not appropriate to take wa/wb immediately.

I have notes on people that say stuff like "can't fold JJ mw", so I know that these players exist.

[BigBadBabar]

i mean after looking at it more closely (now that i'm not playing at the same time) i was a bit brusque. by taking op's line we can maybe induce a desperation bluff or a call from a weaker hand if we bet the river. however we are also giving free cards to ace/worse kickers, or the potential flushdraw or pocket pair. i think it's still a good value bet.

[Point Blank]

i like the play line - playing it as a free card move ... it likely gets a call from TT, JJ, QQ, KK on the river - which would probably fold on the turn (unless this player is the type to be suspicious of a flop raise on a two-tone ace high board)

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

terrible imo

if your checking the turn you should be value raising like any river

[Point Blank]

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terrible imo

if your checking the turn you should be value raising like any river

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that was my first thought, and meant to include that in my pot ...
but how often will KK-TT call that raise vs AK, AQ - I'm not so sure that it's a raise for value now

[Buzz-cp]

sb is peeling light &amp; check/folding a lot of hands, and weak with AK, and freerolling AQs.