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[Fish R Friends]

FTP Tourney NLHE More than half the field remains.

Blinds 50/100. No real reads just was moved to the table an orbit ago and it seems passive and players have folded quickly.

Seat 1: Button (1,700)
Seat 2: SB (1,185)
Seat 3: BB (6,440)
Seat 4: UTG (3,337)
Seat 5: MP1 (4,075)
Seat 6: MP2 (920)
Seat 7: MP3 (7,900)
Seat 8: Hero (11,910)
Seat 9: CO (3,948)
SB posts 50
BB posts 100

Hero K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls 100,
MP1 folds
MP2 folds
MP3 folds
Hero raises to 700
CO calls 700
Button raises to 1,700 (all in)
SB folds
after thinking a while BB calls 1,600
UTG calls 1,600

Hero ....?

[img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] FISH RF

[registrar]

17. Should I fold AA/KK pf?
No, next question!

Alright, fine, here’s the thing. In a regular MTT you should never fold AA pf under any circumstances. Well, there's one exception. If you're VERY shortstacked in a bubble situation and doubling up will not likely increase your chance of moving up in the money while folding and letting someone all-in bust out may result in making the money or moving up, a valid reason for folding Aces might exist. But this is an extreme example where, for instance, the blinds are 500/1000, you've just lost a big hand and are down to 500 in MP with someone all-in in the blinds. In satellites however, there is the rare occasion where folding AA pf is justified given the discrepancy between cEV and $EV. For instance, say you have the second biggest stack in a satellite with eight players remaining and seven seats being awarded. You and one other player are well ahead of the pack, and a couple of players are quite short stacked with an M < 5. You pick up AA in MP and the chip leader, the only player who has you covered, pushes from EP. In this situation, folding your Aces is the right $EV move, because you can easily fold into the top 8, all of whom are awarded the exact same amount (notice that you are turning down cEV when you fold you Aces).

In non-sat tournaments, you should never fold AA pf. Folding KK pf in non-sat MMTs is no less a sin in the minds of many players. If you are in a deep stacked tournament, with some good reads and multiple all-ins in front you, you might find a way to let go of second nuts, but you’re probably losing substantial value if you play with the mindset that cowboys are Ace magnets.

[Sherman]

Buy-in? But it doesn't really matter. Unless you are in a satellite situation pretty much everyone around here is going to tell you to get it all in here.

[TakenItEasy]

Why the overbet of 700?

In any case I push.

[Fish R Friends]

ARRRRRRRRR.... no no no. I'm not folding it. I'm not that tight. You may read as stupid.

Perhaps a better way to ask the question would be... how much do I bet?

[mlagoo]

just cram, both stacks are really short

[Fish R Friends]

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Why the overbet of 700?

In any case I push.

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[Mi_T_Sharp]

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PUSH.

[registrar]

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PUSH.

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Sorry about previous misconception. This is what we do when we don't fold here.

[Sherman]

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Why push at a passive table?

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Is this not exactly the kind of table you want to push at? I'd be more afraid of pushing at a super-tight table where I knew the hand that would call would be AA.