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Old 03-06-2007, 04:29 AM
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Default Party 25NL. KK OOP facing ugly flop

Villain is 38/37/4.37, is capable of calling a large pre-flop bet with low SCs or low PPs, and will definitely over bet the flop if I check to him.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($43.96)
UTG ($4.69)
MP ($35.85)
CO ($25.85)
Button ($103.67)
SB ($24.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold</font>, MP raises to $1.25</font>, 1 fold</font>, Button calls $1.25, i]1 fold[/i]</font>, Hero raises to $5.31</font>, MP calls $4.31, Button folds.

Flop: ($12.47) J, Q, A 2 players)</font>
Hero?????

Do I have to c/f or is there another line I can take?
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Old 03-06-2007, 04:47 AM
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Default Re: Party 25NL. KK OOP facing ugly flop

c/f is fine

so is c/r all in if he is super aggro and will call pf w/ little and fire the flop light

you probably can fold out a fair amount of rando hands, get it in occassionally vs hearts, and you still generally have 5-6 outs.

but yeah defaults gotta be c/f.
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Old 03-06-2007, 05:34 AM
rakes.a.beach rakes.a.beach is offline
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Default Re: Party 25NL. KK OOP facing ugly flop

Why aren't we cbetting here? Villian is 38/37. He'd def rr w/ JJ+ and AQ+. Only hand that's beating us is AT-. I'd much rather fold out 22-99 or some connectors than risk getting bluffed off the hand against this villian.
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Old 03-06-2007, 05:57 AM
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Default Re: Party 25NL. KK OOP facing ugly flop

Villain has been re-raising everyone at the table so often that its clear that he doesn't need cards to do it. If I c-bet he's re-raising pot no matter what, just to make sure i've got a set. I think Baluga is correct in saying that my only chance to take the pot is to c/r allin, but i'm afraid my swingers just don't hang that low.
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Old 03-06-2007, 06:21 PM
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Default Re: Party 25NL. KK OOP facing ugly flop

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Villain has been re-raising everyone at the table so often that its clear that he doesn't need cards to do it. If I c-bet he's re-raising pot no matter what, just to make sure i've got a set. I think Baluga is correct in saying that my only chance to take the pot is to c/r allin, but i'm afraid my swingers just don't hang that low.

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Really? He's reraising flop no matter what JUST to make sure you got a set even though you were the aggressor preflop? That doesn't make much sense to me.

I think you're giving up A LOT if you're check-folding the flop against this super aggressive/loose villian. If he's really going to push everything, you might as well bet to induce bluff then push cuz your KK is ahead here against his random range.

I do not see how checking is better than betting on this flop.
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