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Old 03-05-2007, 02:32 AM
Mossberg Mossberg is offline
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Default 200NL - NF-combo draw facing flop donk overbet

Villain is unknown but seems he's a donk preflop (limping and coldcalling). Just fold it? I was kinda pissed to see him lead for so much.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $59
Hero: $197
CO: $621.03
Button: $252.25
SB: $151.85
BB: $304.41

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $8</font>, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($24, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $38</font>, Hero ???
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Old 03-05-2007, 02:35 AM
DanJ. DanJ. is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - NF-combo draw facing flop donk overbet

I think folding is out of the question...I would probably just shove it in, If he has a set where not far behind...also its definitly possible this guy has Overpair, which we beat.
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Old 03-05-2007, 02:38 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - NF-combo draw facing flop donk overbet

Shove baby. There is no way I'm folding. Calling here and hitting only will kill our action.
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:03 AM
Marshall28 Marshall28 is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - NF-combo draw facing flop donk overbet

i third the motion. ALL IN !!
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:14 AM
Mossberg Mossberg is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - NF-combo draw facing flop donk overbet

Yep, I pushed. Thanks guys. Looking back on it I can see that I played it fine.

Anyways, the reason I posted this is because after I pushed, a 22/15 regular behind me called AI, as did the donk.

The TAG showed up with AA and then they both made fun of me for pushing "with only a flush draw". This kinda put me on thinking-tilt but in hindsight, it's pretty funny considering they both played their hands pretty bad.
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:19 AM
kolotoure kolotoure is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - NF-combo draw facing flop donk overbet

WTF @ AA
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:20 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - NF-combo draw facing flop donk overbet

You're a 2:1 dog to a set, barely better than 3:2 under to bottom two, 3:2 under to the straight. You're flipping even with 89. Pretty much the only sort of hand you're a favorite against that you might get called against is a bare KJ, and you're only a 55% favorite there.

I don't think you have much fold equity against a bad player way overbetting the pot there and his range goes from very close to pretty well ahead. Folding's not much fun, but it's the move.
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:47 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - NF-combo draw facing flop donk overbet

I've noticed a lot of TAGs playing AA OOP like this. A lot of them even "slowplay" it all the way to the river, regardless of board texture, and stack off on the river or c/r all-in when the board is four to a straight or flush that they don't have.
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:57 AM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - NF-combo draw facing flop donk overbet

RussianBear - AA is the nuts, duh. What's even funnier is people who play UI AAxx like the nuts in Omaha.

OP - shove.
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Old 03-05-2007, 04:24 AM
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Default Re: 200NL - NF-combo draw facing flop donk overbet

Can someone explain the reasoning behind a shove? I pokerstoved it and came out with about 45%+ vs ranges but it seems like a massive overbet.
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