river lines vs unks

[jstill]

1 fold, hero raises 98s, one cold call in CO, sb 3bets, we both call

flop A65r
sb bets, hero calls, CO folds

turn 6
sb checks, hero checks? (is this always a PP checking defensively?)

river 8
sb bets, hero... (isnt this always sb vb'ing a PP below Aces? do people 3bet KQo or 44 here enough and play it this way to pay off?)


hero raise A8s utg, unknown 3bets in hijack, hero calls

flop AQs7s
hero check calls

turn 5
hero ck calls

river Q
hero cks... is this a must pay off or could we check fold (would that only be true against a player we know well)? i cant see donking here either.

[gehrig]

hand one is close enough not to matter. ur probably toast bc unpaired hands fire turn usually but ur getting 6-1 so whatev

i would only fold hand one if i knew villain wasnt a retard

[Redeye]

In the first one, I'm not real sure I like the flop call when you aren't closing the action. I don't want to pay two or more bets with a gutshot. If you know CO is passive and unlikely to raise, then I peel the flop and fold the turn UI. Someone on the turn is calling you down if you bet.

In the second one, I think you have to call down against an unkown. I usually call this against most everyone on the river, however, if the playe were a decent tag, I can't imagine what we would beat. In this spot check folding seems almost right, but the pot has gotten pretty big by now.

[TheHip41]

hand 1 i'd fold the river. You are losing here alot more than 1-6 or 7.

Hand two, I'd fold about never. Flop top pair, c/c the river if you don't want to bet/fold

[jstill]

hand 1 i folded and hand 2 i was going to check call and he checked with 66.

im not sure a donk bet has much value here, i guess it gets bets from a K but I cant see underpairs paying off often enough to give up the value we get from his bluffs when hes a spaz and fires 3 barrels with KTo here ( i see it quite a bit on wpex) or thinks hes bluffing betting a pair.

[djmeehan]

Hand 1 isn't always a pocket pair below aces checking turn/betting river. Sometimes it's aces hoping you'll bluff at the pot or pay off river with weak pair hoping he has KQs. I call this too much but it's hard to imagine ur good here. I think it's a fold.

hand 2 - once you get to the river with this hand I think you have to call although I think it's close.

[toss]

In hand two I see a lot of bad TAGs and spazs fire on the turn without an Ace. So I'd probably donk/fold the river.