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Old 03-04-2007, 04:58 AM
FeNeF FeNeF is offline
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Default Fairly general flop question

Apologies for the rather general question, and the unconverted hand (for some reason the converter isn't cooperating). I tried to make it as readable as possible.

400NL, 100BB effective stacks. Button seems fairly LAG, running at about 33/25. No other reads.

I raise to 14 from CO, button coldcalls, blinds fold. Flop comes

K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I bet 24, he raises to 80.

What range do we put him on? What are we doing with

A) KQ
B) 22
C) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
D) 88

For bonus [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] from me, what if we're 150 BB deep?

Thanks very much.
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Old 03-04-2007, 05:01 AM
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Default Re: Fairly general flop question

This is so broad I really have no idea.
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Old 03-04-2007, 05:08 AM
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Default Re: Fairly general flop question

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This is so broad I really have no idea.

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It's not really.. I gave a specific situation and specific flop. I even gave a read. The only difference is I gave 4 different holdings for us, just to get an idea of how people tend to play. I guess it's possible I forgot something important, just tell me if I did.

You can ignore the last bit, I should probably delete it.
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Old 03-04-2007, 05:11 AM
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Default Re: Fairly general flop question

KQ call
22 call
qj 4bet
88 fold
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Old 03-04-2007, 05:12 AM
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KQ call
22 call
qj 4bet
88 fold

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Cool, thanks. Are you 3betting anything but a draw here?
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Old 03-04-2007, 05:15 AM
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KQ call
22 call
qj 4bet
88 fold

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Cool, thanks. Are you 3betting anything but a draw here?

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I dunno it depends on a lot of stuff has he been 3betting our cbets a lot. Have we played any big pots?
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Old 03-04-2007, 05:17 AM
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KQ call
22 call
qj 4bet
88 fold

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Cool, thanks. Are you 3betting anything but a draw here?

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I dunno it depends on a lot of stuff has he been 3betting our cbets a lot. Have we played any big pots?

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No. No real history, just stats.

terminology nitpick: he's raising our cbets, not 3betting them.
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Old 03-04-2007, 05:21 AM
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Default Re: Fairly general flop question

this is going to sound like a lame response but if there is a reasonable chance that I will face a raise then I decide how I will handle it before making my bet. I'm not going to bet my KQ there if I'm expecting him to raise me and I won't like it.

In general I'd be betting here with hands that can't take any heat (bluffs or poor made hands that aren't much better than bluffs) and hands that I am willing to play a big pot with.

Against passive players obviously it's different.
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