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Old 02-12-2007, 12:54 PM
GeordieLaForge GeordieLaForge is offline
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Default KQ top pair against turn raise

no reads

PokerRoom 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, K.
1 fold</font>, MP calls, Button raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q, 4, 6 (4 players)</font>
Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 7 (4 players)</font>
Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP folds, Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 2 (2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Please tell me your opinion about my play on the turn and the river.
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Old 02-12-2007, 01:06 PM
Assahai Assahai is offline
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Default Re: KQ top pair against turn raise

Well, firstly, I'd check on the flop
Since the PF raiser is on the button, he will almost surely fire, and you can check-raise and that way eliminate all the other players (or make them cold call for draw) and leave you HU with the button.

Bet on the turn was good, and then a call.
Looks like he has 77, or if he's really aggressive, a flush draw.

I think you played the turn and the river well, the only thing I'd change was the play on the flop.
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Old 02-12-2007, 01:24 PM
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Default Re: KQ top pair against turn raise

I don't know why but i don't see suits in this hand if someone can repost
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Old 02-12-2007, 01:43 PM
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Default Re: KQ top pair against turn raise

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no reads

PokerRoom 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP folds, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Please tell me your opinion about my play on the turn and the river.

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Old 02-12-2007, 01:46 PM
johnnyrocket johnnyrocket is offline
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Default Re: KQ top pair against turn raise

WELL, you donked it preflop, this is a must 3 bet to force out BB and maybe MP limper. You are killing you profits by just calling and also dont have the lead. The flop is a must check-raise to make it 2 bets to others and force them out. Turn should be led out and called, river check call. Work on your preflop and flop play so you dont make it so hard to play on later streets.
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Old 02-12-2007, 02:20 PM
TheHip41 TheHip41 is offline
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Default Re: KQ top pair against turn raise

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WELL, you donked it preflop, this is a must 3 bet to force out BB and maybe MP limper. You are killing you profits by just calling and also dont have the lead. The flop is a must check-raise to make it 2 bets to others and force them out. Turn should be led out and called, river check call. Work on your preflop and flop play so you dont make it so hard to play on later streets.

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no one raised the flop. it went bet, call, call, call

If the button raiser is a decent player, I just fold PF. KQs I'm calling some, raising some others, just depends.

Post flop, if you flop a set, or combo draw, then bet, if you flop TP, then c/r.

You probably could fold the turn, but I never do, so I won't tell you that you play badly for calling down, because I never fold TP here.
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Old 02-12-2007, 02:50 PM
MacGuyV MacGuyV is offline
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Default Re: KQ top pair against turn raise

I like every street.
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Old 02-12-2007, 03:11 PM
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Default Re: KQ top pair against turn raise

Preflop is fine and a check raise on the flop is a must.
His raise on the turn only makes sense if he has 77, and I mostly have a hard time giving people credit for a set without very solid reads. He could just be testing if you are on a club draw and being aggro, since you have no reads he doesn't either. For the same amount as your investment I will sometimes 3-bet that turn and fold to a cap. If he just calls the 3-bet I will bet out on the river unless an overcard falls.
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Old 02-12-2007, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: KQ top pair against turn raise

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I like every street.

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yeah u played this hand fine, dont know why some were so critical of a definitely better way to play it. I dont usually 3bet here pf after a limp and a raise, but i cant fold. If button is so good i cant call here im in the wrong seat for sure.

as for the flop i dont mind betting out 4 ways and just goin the value route. there arent too many hands to worry about protecting against on this board and the Button is much more likely to check in a 4 way pot if hes got A hi or an underpair than if its 3 handed or HU. I dont know how he plays though but unless hes really aggro, betting out is better at protecting ur hand than letting everyone see the turn for free. Its a damned if u do damned if u dont situation kinda. Against eople I know who almost always cb id still go for the cr here though just to get an extra bet from them those times they have air and to protect my hand.

Once its heads up on the turn on a double fd board and he didnt raise the flop after a bet and 2 callers I dont bother trying to find a fold to his raise. Id show down as id expect AQ KK AA or a set to raise the flop most of the time and no two pair combos seem likely.
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Old 02-12-2007, 03:32 PM
noob_sauce noob_sauce is offline
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Default Re: KQ top pair against turn raise

This is perfectly set up for a c/r on the flop... your giving great odds in by leading out here... c/r and face the field w/ two...

turn and river are fine...
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