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Old 02-10-2007, 03:05 PM
Imrahil Imrahil is offline
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Default 98 sooooted pushing GS + FD + 2nd Pair on turn

Villain is 19/7/2.6. My line fine?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($71.80)
SB ($34.35)
BB ($60.70)
UTG ($51.50)
Hero ($76.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($4.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, SB calls $3.

Turn: ($10.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $45</font>
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Old 02-10-2007, 03:21 PM
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Default Re: 98 sooooted pushing GS + FD + 2nd Pair on turn

I might bet closer to pot on flop to maximize my fold equity, but otherwise, nice.
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Old 02-10-2007, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: 98 sooooted pushing GS + FD + 2nd Pair on turn

nh
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Old 02-10-2007, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: 98 sooooted pushing GS + FD + 2nd Pair on turn

just calling there is also EV. If opponent call push with TP hands, push is probably closer to -EV.
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Old 02-10-2007, 04:29 PM
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Default Re: 98 sooooted pushing GS + FD + 2nd Pair on turn

I'm not really that good a poker and i'm trying to learn. Why do you push turn? If called all you really have is a flush draw + GS. Wouldn't a flat call be much better?
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Old 02-10-2007, 04:32 PM
Marshall28 Marshall28 is offline
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Default Re: 98 sooooted pushing GS + FD + 2nd Pair on turn

its not a bad play if opponent is tight enough to fold. you most likely have 18 outs to the best hand (unless he has a straight or a set. i wouldnt do it if i wasnt pretty sure he would fold though since u only have the river to work with.
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Old 02-10-2007, 04:40 PM
Hank Scorpio Hank Scorpio is offline
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Default Re: 98 sooooted pushing GS + FD + 2nd Pair on turn

I don't see much value in pushing with the best hand unless you want your opponent to fold (except if villian is dreadful).
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Old 02-10-2007, 06:03 PM
Jouster777 Jouster777 is offline
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Default Re: 98 sooooted pushing GS + FD + 2nd Pair on turn

I'm having trouble putting SB on a hand here...very strange line and its hard to imagine the turn helped him. I'm guessing its a goofy blocker and he has a FD or a very big flopped hand that he didn't want to scare hero away on the flop but now wants to make sure it doesn't get checked through.

In the first instance the push is good cuz the FD is almost certainly a better one however, villain only would have 7 outs and we are ahead of villain at the moment so the gain is slight. In the second instance we have no FE and probably only 12-14 outs. I think I like a turn call.
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Old 02-10-2007, 06:07 PM
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Default Re: 98 sooooted pushing GS + FD + 2nd Pair on turn

By the way, SB only has about $25 left when I push the turn.
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Old 02-10-2007, 06:09 PM
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Default Re: 98 sooooted pushing GS + FD + 2nd Pair on turn

I like to keep the pot small when playing such (not nuts) kind of draws.

Especially because we don't nearly have as much FE as we think we have seeing Villains stats (I don't think he has air or a rather weak A enough)

EDIT:

Another reason to keep the pot small is because we get value enough when we make our draw.
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