Taking down the pot

SCBielski · #1 02-06-2007, 06:37 PM

After grinding out this table for about an hour, it became clear that these guys were regular donks and had a tendency to get a little bit out of line on the flop. Our villain had now raised about five or six c-bets on the flop after calling a preflop raise in position. I began to think that perhaps he was simply calling in position with the intentions of raising any c-bet, so I decided to make a stand here. Our villain is running 42/11/2.15 over 100 hands, any thoughts?

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Villain (Button) $18.57.
SB $30.02.
BB $10.18.
UTG $6.28.
MP $19.01.
Hero (CO) $13.39.

Hero has A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Preflop:

UTG folds. MP folds. Hero raises to $.35. Villain calls. SB folds. BB folds.

Flop: ($0.15) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Hero bets $.65. Villain raises to $2. Hero re-raises to $6.65. Villain folds. Hero is returned $4.65 (uncalled).

Final Pot: $4.61

RollTide77 · #2 02-06-2007, 06:41 PM

Am I the only one folding this PF?

Triggerle · #3 02-06-2007, 06:47 PM

Nah, it's fine to raise this from the CO if the Button and Blinds are not calling stations. This is dependend on table dynamics, though, and I wouldn't do it before I have a feel for what I can get away with.

I personally don't like the flop line because you have to be successful very often to make up for losing the $7 if he pushes. However, against the right opponent you can do this.

If your A is a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] you have to be prepared to call an AI raise.

Edit: I just noticed that this is impossible. Disregard my last sentence.

RickA · #4 02-06-2007, 06:47 PM

I wouldn't be raising A5o here if I new for certain I was getting called as you seem to be. Isn't part of the value of that kind of hand the fold equity.

Triggerle · #5 02-06-2007, 06:50 PM

I missed that OP expected to be called. If this is the case then fold PF.

SCBielski · #6 02-06-2007, 06:54 PM

I wouldn't say I was expecting a call, just that this guy knew what he was doing from the button. Also, I'm pretty calculated in these kinds of PFRs, so I checked out SB fold %, BB fold % ect. I thought this was a great play at the time, but afterwards felt that was a results oriented view. I'm not so sure about it anymore because of the liklihood of a shove. Any more comments?

Sean Fraley · #7 02-06-2007, 06:55 PM

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Am I the only one folding this PF?

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With villain's VP$IP of 42%, I'm folding this too. Open-raising ace-rag in the cutoff only makes sense as a steal attempt, and a villain playing that many hands is cold-calling enough to make stealing not worth the risk with this hand.
With the read, flop is fine. When people start repeatedly playing back at c-bets, you need to start thinking harder at what constitutes "being ahead", and be willing to push smaller edges. Top pair is probably good here, though I might wait for a dryer board before making a stand.

KurtSF · #8 02-06-2007, 07:38 PM

*grunch*

Fold preflop.

Next time you decide to take a stand, make sure you have a hand.

Only part of this hand that was OK was the lead on the flop. Every other decision, before and after, should have been a fold.

$0.02

Unknown Soldier · #9 02-06-2007, 07:40 PM

ditto

bmk67 · #10 02-06-2007, 08:38 PM

I'm folding this preflop. I'll raise with a lot of hands out of the CO, but an unsuited ace rag is not one of them. Fold preflop, please.

As played, meh. I avoid these kind of situations when I can. I'd lead here but RRAI is really a bluff. I'd probably b/f and look for a better spot.