I value bet river...he raises: Tough Riv. 1025 DEEP spot v. Mara10

[dlpnyc21]

Shorthanded with Mara10 on UB. He is a very very tough lag, one of the best on UB, IMO, at these stakes. He also plays higher, however. He is very trickly and certainly capable of many more "plays" than the average 10/25 player. He's definitely capable of floating this flop raise, but my feeling is if he did this he would be likely to bet the flop.

Onto the hand. Maxemus raises, Mara calls, and I call out of the BB with QJo. This is a horrible play in and of itself, but it's 4 handed. Flop comes giving me a gutter. I chk, Max chks, and Mara10 bets. At this point he could have anything. I figure to try and steal the pot, so I chk raise a bit less than pot. Note that we are both 5800 deep to start the hand, so this raise should appear very dangerous to him as we are playing for stacks. He just calls. At this point I am done with the hand unless I improve. On the turn I hit my miracle gutter, but the flush comes. I do not want to stack off here, and if I bet I am stacking off, so I chk.

Is this reasoning flawed? Should I have bet and called a raise here? I have no clue.

He chks behind. River is a blank. I decided to vlaue bet 1200, less than the pot. He makes it 2600 more to go, 3800 straight. This is less than a push, which is a little weird.

I wasn't sure if the river was a chk-call. I decide to make a value bet and hope to get paid by two pair or a set. I have underrepped my hand. Also, how likely is an aggro villian this deep likely to check a flush behind on the turn.

Who calls this river raise? Who chk-calls river. Which line is better?

Comments on all streets welcome, but I'm looking mainly for turn and river advice, especially given how I underrepped my hand on the turn. I am interested in how likely it is that I will get called by a worse hand on the river, how likely it is I can get bluff-raised off the river (and whether I should ever fold to a river raise given the turn action), and also what I should do on the river given my bet size (smallish) and my turn underrepresentation.

Thanks,
dlpnyc21


UB 10/25
taktix907 is at seat 0 with $3850.
HERO is at seat 1 with $5858.
maxEmus125 is at seat 2 with $2508.
Mara10 is at seat 5 with $5820.
The button is at seat 5.

taktix907 posts the small blind of $10.
HERO posts the big blind of $25.

taktix907: -- --
HERO: Js Qc
maxEmus125: -- --
Mara10: -- --

Pre-flop:

maxEmus125 raises to $85. Mara10 calls. taktix907
folds. HERO calls.

Flop (board: 8h 5h 9d):

HERO. maxEmus125 checks. Mara10 bets
$210. HERO raises to $725. maxEmus125 folds.
Mara10 calls.

Turn (board: 8h 5h 9d Th):

HERO checks. Mara10 checks.

River (board: 8h 5h 9d Th 4d):

HERO bets $1200. Mara10 raises to $3800.
HERO?????

[EmpireMaker2]

This is like the easiest call on the river....I prob bet like 900 tho so my opponent will try to make a play on me more often.

[Andruin]

If you check the turn because you are afraid of the flush check the river as well and call behind. He will bet out no matter what and it will be cheaper for you if he pulled the flush. A range can't be decided here as he is the button and with position he can virtually play any 2 here.

Yes he will check a flush behind on turn. Especially the nut flush as your Turn check after a flops reraise indicates that you are afraid of the flush or you were merly trying to steal a pot. His turn bet will yield nothing because he cant assume that you hit a straight the way you played it.

He certainly knows you did not get the flush so his bet on the river is a very smart one. I guess an all-in you would call in a heartbeat but this one is designed very well. You got to pay him off here.

[DeMaci]

I lead turn.

As played, I fold river.

[dlpnyc21]

are you calling because he's value raising less than a straight? Or are you calling because you think it's a bluff?
And I agree, a donk river lead makes it easier to call a raise, but my bet makes it somewhart harder for him to raise without a flush.
dlpnyc

[HERE_2_gamble_]

Id call here, maybe not because he will value raise worse( he probably would)
but because he bluffs the river enough to make it profitable.
I couldnt imagine laying it down against him how the hand is played.

[yellowsub]

uve underrepped your hand really hard, you gotta call this river.

[MDMA]

You played it fine, now call.

[fsuplayer]

watching mara10 play hu gives me nightmares.

[ArmenH]

You've played the hand interestly...A suger LAG checking behind on the turn after the flop action scares me. A tricky LAG would check behind with a flush on the turn expecting a solid player to bet for value on river. You bet for value on the river which is the right play but you must fold to a raise. You played it fine, however I would check call river only because being so deep I wouldnt want to play a big pot with a hand that is not the nuts. What ended up happening?