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Old 02-04-2007, 12:45 PM
jkkkk jkkkk is offline
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Default Stuck in the middle with youuu

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($919.70)
Button ($425)
Hero ($608.80)
BB ($470.20)
UTG ($410)
MP ($313.17)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $46</font>, Button calls $46, Hero calls $34.

Flop: ($150) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB bets $125, Button goes all in for ~$380, Hero?



BB = 20/10 reg
BN = 40/2 retard
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Old 02-04-2007, 01:21 PM
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Calls. Seriously the button is a retard. I'll take my chances against the big blind unless he plays really nitty. Its a good flop to cbet, so his range should still be rather big.
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Old 02-04-2007, 01:34 PM
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Old 02-04-2007, 01:37 PM
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just push pre
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:26 AM
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Default Re: Stuck in the middle with youuu

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Bleh, I dunno, that's a big bet, but I could see a reraise since we are out of position and there is dead money in the pot.

OP - why did you elect to just call? Mixing it up? A solid read on someone as tight or nitty?

LOL at your title by the way.
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Old 02-05-2007, 01:44 AM
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choptown would be a good result for you here, i think.

1) you raise from SB = stronger than normal.
2) he reraises your stronger than normal raise, so his hand is stronger than normal. (Also, 20/10 is a little more passive than most regulars.)
3) he comes out firing hard at this flop, 3-ways. Sounds like valuetown to me.
4) yea button is a fish, but he did go all-in. presumably he has something he likes. (this is a weaker factor than the others, but still worth considering. his money isnt necessarily just dead.)

I don't think a shove here is particularly +EV. Maybe its not too -EV either, but ehh...

only factor swaying it towards a shove is the 3-way fatty pot action. tough spot.
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Old 02-05-2007, 04:16 AM
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he might fold AK if you shove... I mean, he shouldn't, but he might. If you just call, it's more likely to go to showdown vs AK... I think he folds KQ whether you call or raise (but calls if you fold).

Folding looks bad here since you have no reason to believe that either player is necessarily strong, which is unusual for a pot this size, so play it to the bitter end.
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Old 02-05-2007, 04:20 AM
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There is dead money in there and who knows he may fold QQ and probably AK. SO yeah, I like a push.
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Old 02-05-2007, 04:40 AM
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Old 02-05-2007, 08:06 AM
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Interesting responses, I think I made a horrible fold in this hand. fwiw I hadn't seen BN push anything before this hand so I had no idea how strong he was, me and BB ended up folding.

Oh well live and learn. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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