Am I good here ever?

HOWMANY · #1 01-20-2007, 05:59 PM

40/80 live. I'm running terrible, I doubt anyone else noticed it, but I have and I want to win a pot badly.

I raise JJ UTG, get 2 coldcalls and the big blind calls.

Flop: Kh Kc 7c

Big blind checks, I bet, one guy folds, one guy raises, big blind folds, I call.

Villain here is old, pretty bad, but has also shown some surprising sneakiness on the flop earlier with middle pairs/small pocket pairs/draws.

Turn Kd

I check, he bets and he looks relatively confident, so I decide to call here and c/r the river as I feel I'll get a more honest response from him.

River 6s

I c/r and he thinks a while and 3bets. Instead of just raising and putting his chips out there he authoritatively says "I reraise" but I'm not sure what this means, if anything.

So, can I possibly call here? The pot is fairly large. While he is certainly possible of some trickery on the flop, there's no way he's capable of bluffing here on the river, so he thinks he has the best hand for sure. Is there any way he can have the most overplayed 88-TT/7X ever? If you think this is a fold do you think that AA is a fold as well or does the possibility of JJ-KK to be in his overplayed hand range make this a crying call? Is this a really easy fold that I just don't want to make because I'm running horrible?

VORP · #2 01-20-2007, 06:39 PM

I would just call down from the flop raise. Any reasonable range from an old man is going to be beating you too often to go for a c/r.

vmacosta · #3 01-20-2007, 09:14 PM

Easy fold. "Surprising sneakiness" for a sb or two on the flop is a world of difference from an elaborate 5BB sequence culminating in a retarded river 3-bet bluff.

Playing live, I probably would have 3-bet the flop and then bet from there.

HOWMANY · #4 01-20-2007, 10:10 PM

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Playing live, I probably would have 3-bet the flop and then bet from there.

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If he caps it and then the turn comes like this are you calling down?

private joker · #5 01-20-2007, 11:19 PM

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I'm running terrible... and I want to win a pot badly.

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This kind of thinking often leads to poor play. Stop it.

In your hand, I would bet the turn (it's less likely he has a K) and call down a raise.

vmacosta · #6 01-21-2007, 12:39 AM

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Playing live, I probably would have 3-bet the flop and then bet from there.

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If he caps it and then the turn comes like this are you calling down?

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No cap HU, right? If he 4-bets, I'd be inclined to call down (maybe bet/fold the turn, but that's really player dependent).

You see how that's different right? 4BBs going in postflop, with half going in when our hand fairs ok vs his range (flush draws, etc.) vs. your way, where 5 BBs go in postflop with the majority going in when your hand sucks vs. his range.

Either way, your raise on the river was ill-advised. Kx makes up such a huge portion of his range--all the losing had you not thinking clearly?

HOWMANY · #7 01-21-2007, 01:07 AM

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all the losing had you not thinking clearly?

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I could have easily played it this way if I was winning as well unfortunately. I like to FPS myself into building big pots where the way I play it means the bigger it gets the more unlikely I am to win it.

goofball · #8 01-25-2007, 02:35 AM

I like betting the turn.