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Old 01-22-2007, 11:52 AM
DrModern DrModern is offline
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Default A4s not stolen from SSHE

Villain in this hand is quite loose and a known bluffer. He showed down 62o on a JJ87K board after 3-betting a flop check raise and raising donk bets on both turn and river.

Ultimate Bet $0.50/$1 6-max (6 players)

Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Preflop:

UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop:

6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn:

6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, Hero?
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Old 01-22-2007, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: A4s not stolen from SSHE

As played i bet/fold the turn.

I fold pre flop.
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Old 01-22-2007, 12:00 PM
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Default Re: A4s not stolen from SSHE

Given your read that he's a habitual bluffer. Check through the turn, but we'll likely have to call a river bet from him w/ ace high.
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Old 01-22-2007, 12:01 PM
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Default Re: A4s not stolen from SSHE

in 6max after one fold i don't think it's an auto fold pre, it's basically being in lp in fullring with all folds to you.

i think i fire another barrel here.
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Old 01-22-2007, 12:03 PM
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Default Re: A4s not stolen from SSHE

befolder,

I hate this line. To check the turn and call the river he has to be bluffing greater than 2o% of the time. Also if he is willing to bluff check/raise the turn into a 4bb pot LOL i will own him later.
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Old 01-22-2007, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: A4s not stolen from SSHE

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in 6max after one fold i don't think it's an auto fold pre

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I do.
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Old 01-22-2007, 12:06 PM
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befolder,

I hate this line. To check the turn and call the river he has to be bluffing greater than 2o% of the time. Also if he is willing to bluff check/raise the turn into a 4bb pot LOL i will own him later.

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That's the reason to do it, because he is a bluffer, which means he will do so on the river often.

If we get c/r'd on the turn, which Doc says is quite possible, we pretty much need to fold most times, which sucks.

If we bet and he folds rarely, we gain nothing extra when we're ahead.

If he mistakenly sense weakness and we can get that bet from a worse hand on the river, we win.

I don't hate betting this turn because I don't think it helped out villain, but I think we'll either not get his bet or will be raised w/ a worse hand and have to fold.
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Old 01-22-2007, 12:06 PM
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Yes, bet/fold it is for me, checking behind any uncooperative river.
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Old 01-22-2007, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: A4s not stolen from SSHE

I am not crazy about the PF raise. If I play this hand I limp with it because I think it plays better multi-way. ButI might not even play it.

As played flop bet is fine with me.

On the turn I don't like bet fold because with your read on the guy his raise would be meaningless. I think I check/fold. Same on the river UI. Check/call if a 4 hits and check/raise if an A hits. Lets minimize our investment in this busted hand and save it for when we have a hand.
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Old 01-22-2007, 12:32 PM
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On the turn I don't like bet fold because with your read on the guy his raise would be meaningless. I think I check/fold. Same on the river UI. Check/call if a 4 hits and check/raise if an A hits. Lets minimize our investment in this busted hand and save it for when we have a hand.

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I'm in position.
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