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Old 01-07-2007, 07:12 PM
CappyAA CappyAA is offline
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Default QQ vs. a 2p2er

My image has been strong. I'm running 26/18 at the table, and I'm showing down only good hands. Villain is a 2p2er (although I didn't know at the time). He is running 25/18/1.2 over about 100 hands I have with him. This seemed like an easy shove at the time for me as I thought I was ahead of a large part of his range, but now I'm not so sure. Thoughts? What range do you put villain on?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $457.10
UTG+1: $224.85
CO: $373.25
Button: $212.50
SB: $355.90
BB: $204.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($24, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $16</font>, UTG+1 folds, Button calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($56, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $35</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $161</font> Hero.....
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs. a 2p2er

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This seemed like an easy shove at the time for me as I thought I was ahead of a large part of his range

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how do you figure?

I check the turn
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:20 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs. a 2p2er

My line of thinking is that villain could have JJ-44, 87s, 76s, 65s, or air after his flop call. He has position, so his flop call could be a strong hand or a float with a decent hand or nothing hoping to take it on the turn if I have AK or something like that. I thought about taking a stack-a-donk line, but the AF of 1.2 made me think I might as well bet out at the turn as I didn't think he'd bet.

I ruled out AA/KK with the no reraise preflop.

I think checking the turn is weak though unless we're going for a check/raise. This was either a bet/fold or bet/push IMO.
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:25 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs. a 2p2er

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Old 01-07-2007, 07:26 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs. a 2p2er

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My line of thinking is that villain could have JJ-44, 87s, 76s, 65s, or air after his flop call. He has position, so his flop call could be a strong hand or a float with a decent hand or nothing hoping to take it on the turn if I have AK or something like that. I thought about taking a stack-a-donk line, but the AF of 1.2 made me think I might as well bet out at the turn as I didn't think he'd bet.

I ruled out AA/KK with the no reraise preflop.

I think checking the turn is weak though unless we're going for a check/raise. This was either a bet/fold or bet/push IMO.

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as played, turn is easy fold

with the caller in between you guys pf and his high pfr, I think you can discount TT/JJ from his range somewhat

your turn bet protects your hand if he's drawing (but 75 got there) gets value (maybe) out of 99, 8x

bet/fold isn't so bad, but no way I bet/call vs this guy
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs. a 2p2er

i fold this turn.
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs. a 2p2er

What do you think villain's range is? With all the dead money in the pot, I only need to be good here about 35-40% of the time for this to be a profitable play.
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:38 PM
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What do you think villain's range is? With all the dead money in the pot, I only need to be good here about 35-40% of the time for this to be a profitable play.

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boat, 6x, straight

he's just too passive to be raising with something you beat
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:48 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs. a 2p2er

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What do you think villain's range is? With all the dead money in the pot, I only need to be good here about 35-40% of the time for this to be a profitable play.

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boat, 6x, straight

he's just too passive to be raising with something you beat

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Hmm - ok, I guess that my thinking was off, and I was looking at this as a results oriented play.

I pushed, and villain called with 87. River blanked and MHIG.

But hearing other thoughts on this, maybe that was one of the minority of times he has a hand I beat.

Thanks for the advice. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 01-07-2007, 07:54 PM
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Default Re: QQ vs. a 2p2er

Cappy,

My pf range this hand was wider then normal b/c UTG+1 was a wild 60/15 donk. Also, those must be a strange 100 hands b/c I can't imagine my AF being so low.
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