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Old 01-04-2007, 05:48 PM
dtan05 dtan05 is offline
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Default 10/20 FOLD YOUR POCKET PAIR BASTARD!!!

villain is livb112, a reg. at 24/13, 120bb stacks, insignificant history.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $60</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $340</font>, 3 folds, CO calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($820, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $630</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2080, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in $1360</font>.


YAY OR NAY?
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Old 01-04-2007, 05:50 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 FOLD YOUR POCKET PAIR BASTARD!!!

nay. more likely you are drawing dead than that he will fold.
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Old 01-04-2007, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 FOLD YOUR POCKET PAIR BASTARD!!!

Such an easy call for so many hands...
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Old 01-04-2007, 05:56 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 FOLD YOUR POCKET PAIR BASTARD!!!

TWP - is it cuz if he's floating with a PP, say 55-TT here, he called the flop bet planning to call a blank turn?

Greg - pot odds?
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Old 01-04-2007, 05:59 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 FOLD YOUR POCKET PAIR BASTARD!!!

well, he is a lot more likely to have AA/KK/set/pr+gs that he's not folding for half pot/puts you on air often than he is to have called the flop just to fold the turn for half pot. there really is no reason for him to call the flop just to fold the turn since he has to expect you to push almost every time there. since when do re-raisers just c/f the turn for half pot in this spot ever?
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Old 01-04-2007, 06:01 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 FOLD YOUR POCKET PAIR BASTARD!!!

What? AA/KK cold calls behind a raiser AND another cold caller?

fwiw, I was the reraiser.
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Old 01-04-2007, 06:06 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 FOLD YOUR POCKET PAIR BASTARD!!!

Sure. why not? how much had you and the BB been squeezing, etc. i'm just saying this turn bet is most likely fully anticipated (often encouraged) by him, and I doubt he folds often. and you'll have 3 or 6 outs some of the time called, but i think you're drawing dead more often than he's folding. he has played his hand 100% consistently with a set, after all.
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Old 01-04-2007, 06:11 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 FOLD YOUR POCKET PAIR BASTARD!!!

I dunno, he just didn't seem that tricky to me. And also, I hadn't been squeezing much, I think I did it twice before in the hour session. And man, isn't he pushing the implied odds a bit, if he makes this call with a small - medium pp?
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Old 01-04-2007, 06:15 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 FOLD YOUR POCKET PAIR BASTARD!!!

280 to win 2500. it's close but it's certainly not a terrible call. especially if, say, he can correctly call your push with TT on the turn here. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 01-04-2007, 06:17 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 FOLD YOUR POCKET PAIR BASTARD!!!

I'd expect to see QQ a lot here
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