handling sneaky players

[Dr1Gonzo]

Firstly, I'm going to post the results on this hand as it's more of a discussion about handling tricky players who cold call with pocket pairs.
I can see how someone would do this with AA but you often see some players in the WSOP doing it with KK or QQ when they're shorter stacked. I don't really agree with doing it with KK or QQ but each to their own.
The problem in many tournaments and especially online ones is that this play (by villain) works effectively because when it happens, it is probably the first time you have seen them do it (moving between different tables, etc. and the low likelihood of villain receving more than a couple of these hands while you're with them on the same table).

So, how can you really handle this situation on these type flops and with online type stacks (actually this was a deep stack tourney but hey). I know when you have KK, you'll run into AA about 1 in 25 times but this is very likely to happen in a MTT.
I just can't see anyway you can ever outplay someone who does this????? I guess you can play carefully after the flop but all the money is going in there at some point for sure.

Feel free to include:
QQ vs AA&KK and
JJ vs AA,KK,and QQ
in the discussion as well.

Full Tilt Poker $24+$2
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $100/$200
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $3640
UTG+1: $6180
MP1: $10180
MP2: $10205
Hero: $11075
Button: $11298
SB: $7370
BB: $6940

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls $200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $300)</font>, 2 folds, MP2 calls $200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $500)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1000</font>, Button folds, SB calls $900 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $1700)</font>, 2 folds, MP2 calls $800 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $2600)</font>.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3400, 3 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2750</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $5500</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $11000</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB calls all-in $870</font>.
Uncalled bets: $4630 returned to Hero.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($16140, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $16140)


River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($16140, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $16140)


Results:
Final pot: $16140

[Dr1Gonzo]

no takers, i didn't mean this to sound like BBV

[Fiksdal]

It's happened to me too, I hate it.

The answer is, it doesn't mater. If he would have re-raised preflop he would have gotten all the money in there instead. You were going broke anyway.

[Le Sug]

I think that the majority will agree that as you ahead of the range that opponents will attempt this with so often with KK you just have to suck up the times you run into AA - and make a note on that player that it's one of his 'moves'. Just say nh and flop a set next time [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Art Vandelay]

Not a lot you can do, the money's going in preflop or on the flop. Just make a note and move on. It does suck though I agree.

Sidenote: Villians both played this hand poorly, so take solace in the fact that they do make mistakes and mistakes make the good player money in the long run.