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Old 11-17-2006, 08:59 AM
SeriAce SeriAce is offline
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Default bottom set , weird turn donkbet

http://www.pokerhand.org/?617177

villain: 26/15/1.3 over 744hands
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Old 11-17-2006, 09:15 AM
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Default Re: bottom set , weird turn donkbet

Preflop, with 77 and only 1 limper to you, I would raise this.

On the flop, you need to raise quite a bit more. Looking at stacks, I would raise a LOT more. This raise is not going to get rid of any draw.

Turn is ugly. Weird bet. Have you not got any more reads on Villain apart from the PT stats? If not, I would fold here.
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Old 11-17-2006, 09:47 AM
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Default Re: bottom set , weird turn donkbet

Villain's lack of aggression is kind of worrying. Being in position is good though. As played, I'd probably call and hope to pair the board, or check behind if it doesn't and I get the chance. Check/fold if he bets river again on a nonpaired board though, and push river if it pairs, he pretty much has to call with a straight or a flush.

As jacknine says though, raise preflop and reraise more on flop would help you a lot on this hand.
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Old 11-17-2006, 09:54 AM
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Default Re: bottom set , weird turn donkbet

ok thanks for the flop comment

preflop i reraise here quiet often, but me and the whole table has been pretty agressive so i was worried to reraise here
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Old 11-17-2006, 09:58 AM
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Default Re: bottom set , weird turn donkbet

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preflop i reraise here quiet often, but me and the whole table has been pretty agressive so i was worried to reraise here

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I think that it's best not to be too concerned about these kinds of things. Yes, someone might re-raise you and cause you to re-evaulate, but most of the time they won't. It's like continuation betting: Sometimes someone'll check/raise or re-raise you, but it's still right most of the time because you'll win enough anyway.
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Old 11-17-2006, 10:58 AM
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Default Re: bottom set , weird turn donkbet

Let's think about what hands villain could have. 26/15 will raise PF with AJ & 88 100% of the time, so we can rule out those hands. He could have 87 for 2pr, T9s for the straight or a small flush.

I don't think villain has a flush here. Why would he lead with that overbet once his flush gets there since you'll most likely fold your TP/2pr to that bet.

I think T9s (no club) is his most likely holding. That fits his PF limp range. I like a call on the turn with the plan of shoving a club on the river if he checks and calling/shoving if we fill up.
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Old 11-17-2006, 12:24 PM
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Default Re: bottom set , weird turn donkbet

raise pf, raise more on the flop, fold turn.
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Old 11-17-2006, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: bottom set , weird turn donkbet

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raise pf, raise more on the flop, fold turn.

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