AQo: Flopped OESD

[Hellmouth]

Maybe this is spew.
Would anyone play it differently? I wanted to get money in with strong draw on the flop and couldn't resist value betting the river. Is this a Bet/fold situation on the river?

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Preflop (9 players): Hero is MP1 with
1 fold.
UTG calls [2.5:1].
1 fold.
HERO 2 bets.
MP2 calls [3.25:1].
1 fold.
CO calls [4.25:1].
2 folds.
UTG calls [9.5:1].

Flop (9.5 small bets ($4.75) in pot, 4 players):

UTG bets.
HERO 2 bets.
MP2 folds [6.25:1].
CO 3 bets.
UTG calls [8.75:1].
HERO calls [18.5:1].

Turn (9.25 bets ($9.25) in pot, 3 players):

UTG checks.
HERO checks.
CO bets.
UTG calls [11.25:1].
HERO calls [12.25:1].

River (12.25 bets ($12.25) in pot, 3 players):

UTG checks.
HERO bets.
CO 2 bets.
UTG folds [7.63:1].
HERO calls [16.25:1].

[Buzz-cp]

I would probably call flop & check/call the river.

[antneye]

Im not sure why we are raising this flop. We have s trong draw, and want those behind us to stay in the pot. Raising here is likely to chase people who would otherwise pad the pot for us.

River is a check call. Villain had been betting and raising all along. We want a showdown with our Ace, but do not want to give him a chance to raise us if beat.

[Absolution]

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Im not sure why we are raising this flop. We have s trong draw, and want those behind us to stay in the pot. Raising here is likely to chase people who would otherwise pad the pot for us.

River is a check call. Villain had been betting and raising all along. We want a showdown with our Ace, but do not want to give him a chance to raise us if beat.

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I agree. Our overcard outs may be worth 1 at most I think and we aren't likely to get a free card here with our position. We will also chop the pot often even when we do hit the OESD so there is no value in raising.

[Buckmulligan]

I don't like the flop two bet. I also don't really like a river bet, especially when we make it and don't fold to his two bet.

[Gib]

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I would probably call flop & check/call the river.

[/ QUOTE ]
We can't protect here on the flop, our Q outs are prolly useless, also we prolly won't be able to get a free card on turn if we have any callers behind us, so yeah call on the flop is good.

River is a bit hard here, I think if played I would tend to c/c but I think maybe b/f would be the right play... hmmm uncertain I am of this!

[Buckmulligan]

bet fold is only bad beacuse of all the [censored] CO threw at us on the flop despite the board being so coordinated. It's pretty tough for me to believe that a pair of aces is going to be good enough to make an equity bet here; we'll save money when he checks behind a two pair or bets his hand and gets checkraised by UTG.

Whatever the case, betting and then calling is certainly incorrect.

[Point Blank]

**grunch**

the flop move is very player dependent for me (I do this only when UTG donker is the type to donk the flush draw ... if not, or no real read this is iffy then)

on the river, that lead is pretty bad IMO ... CO cold calls two pre flop, and 3bets the flop (also, this donk most likely drives out the UTG retard who may call with a [censored] pocket pair, or a minor board hit) - I c/c (but I don't think I'm good here)

[Hellmouth]

Thanks guys, those where the spots that I was concerned with. I felt like the flop raise was for value and was hoping to get enough money into the pot that I could see the river with correct odds. I did not consider that raising might knock everyone out of the pot. But, I am still not sure that the raise is a mistake. Three people seeing the turn means that I am getting almost exactly the right odds compared to pot equity.

The river was a disaster. I realized it afterwords but wanted to see what people thought would be the optimum line. I just noticed that i hit an out and wanted to valuebet it. I retrospect, I think that I only get a call/raise when I am behind.

Thanks
Greg

[Dangeresque]

The only way this raise makes sense is in knocking out a hand Like Kx suited. It'll open up your Q... maybe. I'm with everyone else here, call the flop, the turn, the river. Passive != Bad