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Old 09-14-2006, 03:01 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default (114) bet or check river AA?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
Hero (t1590)
MP2 (t1590)
MP3 (t1490)
CO (t1400)
Button (t1470)
SB (t1400)
BB (t1560)

Preflop: Hero is in MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t80</font>, MP2 calls t80, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>

Flop: (t190) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t140</font>, MP2 calls t140

Turn: (t470) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t330</font>, MP2 calls t330

River: (t1130) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero?

we each have 1040 left.
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Old 09-14-2006, 03:20 PM
Pudge714 Pudge714 is offline
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Default Re: (114) bet or check river AA?

I assume you don't plan on folding this river. So this check is to induce a bluff if you do so. In which case it is a very read dependent spot.
I shove or maybe 1/2 pot depending on reads. I just think he is checking too many second best hands behind and not his range doesn't consist of air enough. If the turn and river blanked off, I like a check a lot more to induce a desperate bluff from a missed flush draw.
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Old 09-14-2006, 03:29 PM
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Default Re: (114) bet or check river AA?

another argument for checking is that sometimes a flush will let me off easy and make a small bet.
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Old 09-14-2006, 03:32 PM
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Default Re: (114) bet or check river AA?

i'm checking

edit: i'm checkraising the turn though
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Old 09-14-2006, 03:35 PM
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Default Re: (114) bet or check river AA?

I don't know if I like betting this turn? I like C/Ring better. Or obviously it checks through, and you can value/block bet the river.
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Old 09-14-2006, 03:36 PM
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Default Re: (114) bet or check river AA?

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Or obviously it checks through, and you can value/block bet the river.

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If the turn goes check check, I'm calling a river raise with this particular river
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Old 09-14-2006, 03:42 PM
DaN_05 DaN_05 is offline
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Default Re: (114) bet or check river AA?

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Or obviously it checks through, and you can value/block bet the river.

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If the turn goes check check, I'm calling a river raise with this particular river

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What hands is villian raising this river with that we beat? (I'm assuming you mean if we bet and villian raises you call, right? As apposed to C/Cing.)
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Old 09-14-2006, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: (114) bet or check river AA?

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i'm checking

edit: i'm checkraising the turn though

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Do you think non-heart overpairs/AT are folding if we lead but betting if we check? That's about the only scenario I can see where I like the c/r better and I'm not sure how typical that is, but I think it wouldn't be very. I guess the fear of a fourth heart coming and making it impossible to be paid is a nuisance, but so is whiffing on the c/r.
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Old 09-14-2006, 04:02 PM
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Default Re: (114) bet or check river AA?

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i'm checking

edit: i'm checkraising the turn though

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Do you think non-heart overpairs/AT are folding if we lead but betting if we check? That's about the only scenario I can see where I like the c/r better and I'm not sure how typical that is, but I think it wouldn't be very. I guess the fear of a fourth heart coming and making it impossible to be paid is a nuisance, but so is whiffing on the c/r.

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I think those hands call the checkraise and there are a bunch of cards we don't want to see on the river (both for getting paid and for the value of our hand). I want stacks to go in on the turn, not the river.

Also, c-bet flop, check turn line looks a lot more like whiffed overcards than AA if our opponent is at least 2nd level here.
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Old 09-14-2006, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: (114) bet or check river AA?

Bets 350.

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