Drunk live one disagrees with dealer, what should she do?

HOWMANY · #1 09-10-2006, 01:04 AM

5 handed 15/30 game. About 3 in the morning. 2 tightish players that aren't very good. One guy on tilt because he keeps getting rivered. One HUGE fish that is playing LHE for the first time ever (he usually lights his money on fire in NL), he has been drinking for a few hours, so he's playing even worse than when he first sat. I'm planning to leave when this player runs out of money or leaves.

The tilty guy goes broke, and in this casino they have some retarded rule where if a player in the blind or button sits out there are 2 big and 1 small blind on the next hand and 2 small and 1 big the following hand. On the hand in question the live one is on the button so he has a small blind this round. The dealer asks him for blinds and starts dealing. The guy is absolutely wasted and has no clue what she is talking about and argues. He insists that this is a ring game, not a donkament, there is not a blind on the button rule. He is definitely wrong, but he does not believe the dealer is right.

I think the solution is really simple, but before I continue with the story, what should the dealer do to solve this problem?

Ignignokt · #2 09-10-2006, 01:25 AM

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in this casino they have some retarded rule where if a player in the blind or button sits out there are 2 big and 1 small blind on the next hand and 2 small and 1 big the following hand.

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Where is this not the rule?

Edit: I'm going to guess AC.

HOWMANY · #3 09-10-2006, 01:28 AM

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in this casino they have some retarded rule where if a player in the blind or button sits out there are 2 big and 1 small blind on the next hand and 2 small and 1 big the following hand.

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Where is this not the rule?

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This is the only place I play, so I don't have experience with other cardrooms, but I've been told by random people that this is usually only a tournament rule. It's entirely possible that these people are just dumb and completely wrong.

psandman · #4 09-10-2006, 01:41 AM

In vegas this is not generally the rule. very plac play in uses the Dead Button rule. The rule you describe is the forward moving button rule.

Photoc · #5 09-10-2006, 01:43 AM

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in this casino they have some retarded rule where if a player in the blind or button sits out there are 2 big and 1 small blind on the next hand and 2 small and 1 big the following hand.

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Where is this not the rule?

Edit: I'm going to guess AC.

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Vegas for starters.

I first saw it in Reno last year. I've never seen it in any cardroom in Las Vegas.

Ignignokt · #6 09-10-2006, 01:44 AM

I've definitely seen it in Vegas. (Edit: but it may have been off-strip.) It's also the rule in every cardroom I've seen in WA.

Howard Beale · #7 09-10-2006, 01:57 AM

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I think the solution is really simple, but before I continue with the story, what should the dealer do to solve this problem?

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She says something like: 'Sir, I'm not here to argue with you or make your experience in our card room unpleasant. I will call the floor person to explain what our rules are.'

steamraise · #8 09-10-2006, 01:57 AM

Dealer should explain that he just had the big blind
and the player with the button has left and we're gonna
move the button forward and you have your small blind
on the button with 2 big blinds in front of you.
If he doesn't get it call the floor to explain.

QuadsOverQuads · #9 09-10-2006, 02:02 AM

Four responses, in order of importance:

(1) Why is a drunk and argumentative player still being allowed to play? The floorperson and the servers should already be on top of this situation, but if they're not then they should be made aware.

(2) This illustrates why all blinds should be posted before the deal begins. This is especially important in advanced-button situations and in other situations where there is likely to be confusion over the blind structure. A good dealer should anticipate this and clarify/prompt as necessary, so that issues with the blinds do not have to be resolved after the deal is complete and action is underway.

(3) In situations where a player genuinely believes the dealer is incorrect about the blinds, courteously explain the rule and its application to the situation. If a player points out a genuine mistake (which happens), don't be afraid to admit error. Your players will respect you for this. However, if there is no dealer error, and the player still refuses to post his blind, do not get into an argument with the player about it. (Again, this is why it's important to resolve issues with the blinds before the cards are dealt.) Go to steps (4) and (5):

(4) If the player has not been dealt in, but still refuses to post his blind, then deal him out and give him a missed blind button (small blind only, in this case).

(5) If the player HAS been dealt in, but now refuses to post a blind for which he is obligated, call floor. This player is now shorting a pot, and this is grounds for ejection.

(Alcohol issues aside: usually #3 is all you'll need, and the explanation offered by steamraise is great. I wouldn't expect issues beyond that [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] )

q/q

HOWMANY · #10 09-10-2006, 02:19 AM

So the dealer finishes dealing and does not collect from the player. UTG folds. Tilty CO open limps. Button folds. The small blind either completes or checks (I forget if he had a big blind, doesn't matter). It gets to my option. AND NOW THE DEALER TELLS THE BUTTON THAT HE HAS TO POST THE $10. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME, WHY WOULD YOU NOT MAKE HIM POST/CALL THE FLOOR BEFORE HE MUCKS. He looks at dealer like she's crazy again, gets a disgruntled look on his face, gives the dealer 2 chips and tells her "this is my last hand". After I win this pot I tell her to deal me out. Game breaks.

I have no idea how the dealer does not call the floor over to explain it. This guy would normally know this rule, he is just too drunk right now to understand what is going on, if 1 minute had been taken out of the game to have the floor come over and explain what was happening we could have continued with a great game, instead we end up with an angry fish, an angry me, a dealer without a table to deal at and make extra money and three other players without a game to gamble in at 3 in the morning.