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08-31-2006, 12:56 PM
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30/60 - rolled up 7s, aggro on 5th, icky icky 7th
Seat 1 - uber fish, 75% VP$IP.
Seat 2 - 40% VP$IP, average player, plays pretty by the book, and as is standard, can't read hands for the life of him. Seat 3 - 43% VP$IP, calling station, doesn't like to give up any hands from what I've seen. Thoughts? Particularly 5th & 7th? 7 Card Stud High ($30/$60), Ante $5, Bring-In $10 3rd Street - (1.00 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___calls___calls Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___completes___raises___calls Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls___calls Seat 4: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds Seat 5: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___raises___raises Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds 4th Street - (17.40 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets___calls Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises 5th Street - (12.80 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises___raises Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls___calls Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls___calls Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls 6th Street - (28.80 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls River - (32.80 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___????? Fold>Raise>Call here I believe, particularly way the hand was played? 
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#3
08-31-2006, 01:19 PM
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Re: 30/60 - rolled up 7s, aggro on 5th, icky icky 7th
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well, seat 3 can beat a flush and you can't, so... [/ QUOTE ] how about 5th? You throw in that extra raise?
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#4
08-31-2006, 01:25 PM
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Re: 30/60 - rolled up 7s, aggro on 5th, icky icky 7th
Given all your live cards, your play on 5th MAY have value 4-way vs. a made flush, and if there is some doubt as to whether he has it, I'm fine with it. It will be hard to get action later if you fill up though, you may be better off going one less bet here and really punishing if you fill.
7th looks like one of those huge pot situations where you still can be sure you are beat. I'm not sure why you rank raise over call though...
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#5
08-31-2006, 01:28 PM
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Re: 30/60 - rolled up 7s, aggro on 5th, icky icky 7th
you're clearly beat, but do you have > 25% equity? I'm pretty sure you do (just ran twodimes and you can't be < 30%) so I would cap.
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#6
08-31-2006, 01:38 PM
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Re: 30/60 - rolled up 7s, aggro on 5th, icky icky 7th
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Given all your live cards, your play on 5th MAY have value 4-way vs. a made flush, and if there is some doubt as to whether he has it, I'm fine with it. It will be hard to get action later if you fill up though, you may be better off going one less bet here and really punishing if you fill. 7th looks like one of those huge pot situations where you still can be sure you are beat. I'm not sure why you rank raise over call though... [/ QUOTE ] 5th - he WAS pretty donkish as well as a fish, so I couldn't give him full credit for the flush, although leaning towards 90%, with the other 10% having another diamond in the hole. With me being 100% live, I think it's better to raise it up at that spot. I also think if I boat up I can get extra bets out of them as with me being aggressive despite the "obvious" flush, it can give the impression that I'm just uber-lag. Tough to say if they even pay attention to that however [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] River - I'm 100% convinced that Seat 1 has the flush now. He represented it on 3rd, 4th & 5th, but there was still a 10% chance I think that it's a pair and a flush, so I really don't think I can beat him after he hit that diamond. I'm also concerned that if I call, Seat 1 will raise again. If seat 3 reraises then I can muck easy, but if he calls then again I have to call. As adanthar said, Seat 3 is representing that he can beat a flush, while I can't, but due to the way the hand has played out, Seat 3 could just be throwing a donkbet out there, instead of having me bet it, and Seat 1 raise, and him forced to call two bets cold with an inferior hand like 8s up. I feel a raise is better than a call here, Seat 1 now is facing two bets cold with a very transparent hand and theres a possibility of mucking and folding what could be the best hand. Based on the stats on him BTW I feel a raise is out of the question, as he's not going to be frightened off here facing ten bets cold rather than two bets cold, but in other situations vs other opponents, I prefer raise to call here.
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#7
08-31-2006, 01:54 PM
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Re: 30/60 - rolled up 7s, aggro on 5th, icky icky 7th
Ok, I see what you are saying. I think in this particular situation folding is best, but calling would be better than raising, if you were worried about some sort of insane catastrophe.
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#8
08-31-2006, 06:06 PM
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Re: 30/60 - rolled up 7s, aggro on 5th, icky icky 7th
You're beat. You didn't fill up and you're done. You can't beat a flush, and you certainly can't beat whatever seat 3 thinks beats the flush.
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#9
09-01-2006, 12:18 AM
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Re: 30/60 - rolled up 7s, aggro on 5th, icky icky 7th
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Ok, I see what you are saying. I think in this particular situation folding is best, but calling would be better than raising, if you were worried about some sort of insane catastrophe. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah after going over it some more, particularly in this situation, I think calling & raising both suck pretty much equally, and either play are generally spewage. Folding is miles ahead the best play here. Results were I folded, Seat 1 raised, Seat 3 called, Seat 1 made flush on 6th, Seat 3 rivered trip 8s lol.
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