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Old 08-29-2006, 06:07 PM
minwoo minwoo is offline
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Default The math on this hand...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($59)
UTG ($215.33)
Button ($233.69)
Hero ($274)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, Button calls $2, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($8) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $20.33</font>, Button calls $20.33, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $75</font>, UTG calls $193 (All-In), Button folds, Hero calls $138.33.

Turn: ($454.99) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($454.99) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $454.99

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has 8c 7c (straight, ten high).
Hero has Ks Js (high card, king).
Outcome: Hero wins $454.99. </font>

On the flop after my bet, opponent's raise, and button's call, there is $55 in the pot. It would be about $206 more to put UTG all-in. If UTG calls the all-in and button folds, there is $193 + $55 = $248 in the pot with me having to call $206. So the math:

My hand vs his str8, I will win 46%, lose 54% according to pokerstove.

(.46)(+248) - (.54)(-206) = +$2.84

Do you guys always put it all-in here?
I'm just getting started with analyzing my hands using the math. Would be great if anyone could help with it.
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:26 PM
DJ Sensei DJ Sensei is offline
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Default Re: The math on this hand...

your EV calculation is a bit off (but the correct answer is well in your favor)

you're calling $138.33 to win everything already in the pot:
+UTG's $193
+Button's $20.33
+your $82 already in on the flop
+$8 from preflop
=$300ish

So, .46*(+$300ish)+.54*(-$138ish) = definitely +EV

As far as the actual hand played out, I think you played it fine given button's coldcall. Just calling the raise would be fine too.
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:33 PM
smartalecc5 smartalecc5 is offline
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Default Re: The math on this hand...

HE did that ev calc with only him against a str8, what about if he had a hand like TT, where hero could hit a Q or Spade on turn but get nullified by the river boat.
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Old 08-30-2006, 02:41 AM
minwoo minwoo is offline
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Default Re: The math on this hand...

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fine given button's coldcall. Just calling the raise would be fine too.

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Why does the button's cold call make my decision more correct?
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Old 08-30-2006, 02:52 AM
LooseCaller LooseCaller is offline
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Default Re: The math on this hand...

it puts more money in the pot and gets more respect for your raise.
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