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Old 08-13-2006, 04:14 AM
DJ Sensei DJ Sensei is offline
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Default Deep against iCHECKDARK, turn 2 concealed pair.

He's a very good and aggressive 2p2 TAG, running 25/19 in this session. We've been tangling a lot on 2 different tables, both fairly deepstacked, and he recently stacked me for 2 buyins with a set over set. But, I haven't been tilting, and I assume he realizes as much.

So on the turn I hit one of my outs, but I'm obviously concerned about the possibility of a higher set/2pr for him. Whats the best line out of this situation?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($975)
Button ($2932.25)
Hero ($3288.69)
BB ($219.14)
UTG ($2207.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $35</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $120</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $90.

Flop: ($260) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, Button calls $200.

Turn: ($660) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="blue">Hero ?</font>

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Old 08-13-2006, 04:30 AM
BigUpS BigUpS is offline
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Default Re: Deep against iCHECKDARK, turn 2 concealed pair.

You probably have the best hand at the moment so I think I'd continue betting here. Since you guys are pretty deepstack and he didnt reraise you back preflop, I'm guessing he was calling with a drawy type of hand. The board looks pretty drawy too so you can't afford giving a free card.
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Old 08-13-2006, 04:42 AM
Triumph36 Triumph36 is offline
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Default Re: Deep against iCHECKDARK, turn 2 concealed pair.

I woudl be way more concerned about JT then I would a set against iCD here. People must try to trap him all the time with a CR here, so I like to just bet. River could easily counterfeit you and there's a lot of cards you hate, and you can't be happy with a river raise from iCD either even if river is a total blank.

I like a full pot bet, and flip a coin to see whether or not you call a push.
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Old 08-13-2006, 04:50 AM
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Default Re: Deep against iCHECKDARK, turn 2 concealed pair.

Here's a question. How likely is he willing to cold call with JJ, JT, TT or 55 in his position, given the stack sizes?
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Old 08-13-2006, 05:08 AM
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Default Re: Deep against iCHECKDARK, turn 2 concealed pair.

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Here's a question. How likely is he willing to cold call with JJ, JT, TT or 55 in his position, given the stack sizes?

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All of those are very likely hands for iCD to call with, especially if DJ has been 3betting light at all.
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Old 08-13-2006, 05:15 AM
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Default Re: Deep against iCHECKDARK, turn 2 concealed pair.

If stacks were only 1 buyin I would usually check the turn, but being so deep I would probably bet about 400 planning to fold to a raise and reevaluate on the river if called.
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Old 08-13-2006, 06:13 AM
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Default Re: Deep against iCHECKDARK, turn 2 concealed pair.

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Here's a question. How likely is he willing to cold call with JJ, JT, TT or 55 in his position, given the stack sizes?

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All of those are very likely hands for iCD to call with, especially if DJ has been 3betting light at all.

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Sorry, I meant on the flop.
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Old 08-13-2006, 06:18 AM
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Default Re: Deep against iCHECKDARK, turn 2 concealed pair.

c/r and fold to a 3 bet
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Old 08-13-2006, 06:37 AM
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Default Re: Deep against iCHECKDARK, turn 2 concealed pair.

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c/r and fold to a 3 bet

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will -
you don't think he pushes AA to a cr?

basically you have to decide if you're felting against this player (and I don't know him). if you are you have to lead turn to try to get it in (unless he folds all but jt/set to turn lead). if not, cr fold to 3 bet or lead fold to raise are correct, depending on if he bets and folds qq-aa to a cr.
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Old 08-13-2006, 07:03 AM
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Default Re: Deep against iCHECKDARK, turn 2 concealed pair.

Since iCD is a very aggressive player, I doubt that he would try to trap and call with AA or KK preflop when both players' stacks are so big, especially when he only cold calls the flop.
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