QTo Free showdown?

PokerSparky · #1 08-11-2006, 02:18 AM

The free showdown raise hasn't been a big part of my arsenal. I can see the value in using it though, so I'm trying to find spots to use it more.

Villain was 20.6/8.8/3.00 ~35 Hands

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: 9BB

True · #2 08-11-2006, 02:24 AM

Why?

True

PokerSparky · #3 08-11-2006, 02:27 AM

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Why?

True

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Charge FD and possibly get at better Q to fold.

Do you fold the turn? Do you just calldown?

sharpie · #4 08-11-2006, 02:28 AM

I don't like it. Is he ever folding a better hand? I doubt it. Is he giving up on a busted draw on the river? I also doubt it.

True · #5 08-11-2006, 02:31 AM

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I don't like it. Is he ever folding a better hand? I doubt it. Is he giving up on a busted draw on the river? I also doubt it.

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This is the answer to your question. You have raised on such an unthreatening card that your raise is completely illegitimate.

Here is a good spot :

Guy calls PF, Hero raises 88, folds to guy, heads up to flop :

Flop - 45J
Guy donks, Hero calls

Turn - K
Guy donks, Hero raises

True

PokerSparky · #6 08-11-2006, 02:34 AM

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I don't like it. Is he ever folding a better hand? I doubt it. Is he giving up on a busted draw on the river? I also doubt it.

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This is the answer to your question. You have raised on such an unthreatening card that your raise is completely illegitimate.

Here is a good spot :

Guy calls PF, Hero raises 88, folds to guy, heads up to flop :

Flop - 45J
Guy donks, Hero calls

Turn - K
Guy donks, Hero raises

True

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Gotcha. I posted the hand because I thought it probably wasn't a good spot for this play.

Do you show this hand down against this opponent?

PokerSparky · #7 08-11-2006, 02:36 AM

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I don't like it. Is he ever folding a better hand? I doubt it. Is he giving up on a busted draw on the river? I also doubt it.

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I'm not following you about giving up on a busted draw on the river.

sharpie · #8 08-11-2006, 02:50 AM

If he'll bet the river with a busted draw we don't need to raise the turn to "charge" him since he charges himself.

PokerSparky · #9 08-11-2006, 02:57 AM

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If he'll bet the river with a busted draw we don't need to raise the turn to "charge" him since he charges himself.

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Gotcha. Good point.

True · #10 08-11-2006, 12:28 PM

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Do you show this hand down against this opponent?

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I would probably fold this river if he bet (whether you raised or not).

I think it is highly unlikely that you beat anything other than TJ (Villain my have AJ / AT but I think these should be somewhat discounted).

I wouldn't imagine he would bluff the river again with AT / AJ as you may have been on a flush draw yourself or already have him beat. I would imagine however that you would have some read on your opponent. He seems overly tight, and overly aggressive which is another reason I would discount a gutshot playing this way (I think a better play in his spot is just to call and hope for an overcall on the flop, if he makes his hand try for a bet/3-bet the turn).

True