$11 Party MTT - well played hand????

Timmy82 · #1 07-24-2006, 05:57 PM

This is a $11 MTT on Party. There are approximately 50/1174 people remaining. In the last 10 hands, I've probably taken down 6 pots without showing my cards on various streets (usually with premium holdings). Villain seems to be playing fairly loose since coming to my table. In this hand, I figure Villain for A K or a couple clubs.

My two questions for the following hand are:

1. Have I played my hand correctly up to this point?
2. What amount should I bet here?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

-Timmy82

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP2 (t19902)
MP3 (t31780)
Hero (t136524)
Button (t18637)
SB (Villain) (t116101)
BB (t114493)
UTG (t14047)
UTG+1 (t53010)
MP1 (t90765)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t6000, 3 folds, Hero calls t6000, 1 fold, SB :#A500AF(Villain)/ raises to t7500, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t3000, Hero calls t3000.

Flop: (t25500) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Villain bets t3000, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to t9000, Villain calls t6000.

Turn: (t43500) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets t3000, Hero calls t3000.

River: (t49500) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets t3000,

Superfluous Man · #2 07-24-2006, 06:01 PM

Preemptive sorry he had AA/KK.

Timmy82 · #3 07-24-2006, 06:16 PM

He had neither AA nor KK. I'm just trying to figure how to maximize my profit here with what I think is the winning hand.

Superfluous Man · #4 07-24-2006, 06:40 PM

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He had neither AA nor KK. I'm just trying to figure how to maximize my profit here with what I think is the winning hand.

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OK then, I suggest raising somewhat more on the flop (say, to 12-15k), and then raising something on the turn. I mean, he has a hand he obviously likes; and you have a hand that's very likely beating that. So, build a big pot.

HamJam · #5 07-24-2006, 06:42 PM

Preflop call is marginal since UTG+1's stack is not very deep(<20xBB). If you do call then obviously call min-reraise.

Flop is fine. Calling would be ok too since you have position but Villain 1) has a lot of chips and 2) has shown strength so your raise can build a bigger pot than calling.

Raise turn to 20k. After his bet Villain should still have like 90K or 2x pot, we need to commit him. We have a big hand.

River push. As played a push would be a gigantic raise though so maybe make a 1/2 pot-pot sized raise. Doesn't look like Villain is folding at this point.

jcm4ccc · #6 07-24-2006, 06:59 PM

Well, you should assume that the villian has AK or AA, and try to maximize your value from these hands. I say that because you are losing all your chips to KK, and you're not getting much more out of QQ or JJ. So who cares if the villian has those hands?

Now, on the flop, assuming that the villian has AK or AA, I think you need to make a big raise. You don't want a scare card (third club) to come on the turn and kill your action. So I would make almost a pot-sized raise. It will look like a draw, and if villian has AK or AA, he's putting you all-in. If he has anything else, your actions weren't going to make much difference anyway.

Timmy82 · #7 07-24-2006, 08:14 PM

Thanks for all the advice so far. After reading the posts, I agree that I should have raised more on the flop, both to protect against draws and to build up the pot. The reason I decided to just call the turn was because I thought he may have clubs, and wanted him to catch that draw to get a bigger payoff. I realize here, I'm giving cheaper outs to AA, or AK, but in either instance they are drawing to only 2 outs.

Anyway, after the 3k bet on the river by Villain, I raised to 60k which was approximately the size of the pot and about 2/3 of Villain's stack. I didn't want him to fear being busted out of the tournament by having to call off his entire stack.

...Villain took maximum amount of time to decide, eventually folding and begging me to tell him my hand. In an effort to find out my hand, Villain revealed he/she had QQ. In retrospect, I can't see him calling much more than 15k on the river, if anything at all.

MeanGreenTT · #8 07-24-2006, 09:53 PM

The new DS/Miller book has a great piece that directly applies here, I believe.

Early on in the book, talking about expectation and playing the nuts...talked about working backwards from leaving him with just enough to feel committed, so you need to plan your bets now, so that he feels tied to the pot by the end....sounded like gold to me!

Butso · #9 07-24-2006, 09:58 PM

Superb advice jcm,

I hadn't thought about extracting value from AA myself. I assume you mean to CRAI on the river to represent quad fives. This is truly expert, but may not work at these limits.

mornelth · #10 07-24-2006, 10:42 PM

1) Fold preflop.
2) 3-bet PF and bet of 1/8 of the pot on the flop make me think 2 things - donk or monster. Probably the former with the latter. Since he's not going away after your raise on a paired board - I get concerned. Flop raise should be bigger to get any sort of definition - you're giving the guy 5:1 - he's correct calling with a bare Ace of clubs.
3) Turn - I like flat-call here, mostly for pot control reasons.
4) Ac??? Well, he probably wasn't drawing to the nut flush then??? Tough river, I probably just call because I'd hate to get reraised here...