2/4 Party - Did the best I could

TitanFan · #1 07-19-2006, 10:10 PM

No reads on Button.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button raises, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (8.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero Checks

Here I bet (with the intention of folding to a raise) on the turn, he calls so I check the river. . . thoughts? I check becasue I'm thinking its 50/50 he has an A with a better kicker or a pocket pair (since flop had no draws and he 3 bet me, he probably has at least a pair).

camerondiggs · #2 07-19-2006, 10:25 PM

Man, you have to love all those PF calls. Am I wrong or is there something just bad about that. Not your hand necessarily but just in general. The 3 bet is where I probably go into C/c mode just because these are classic fishy hands where you got into the pot for one reason and are staying in for another. Maybe thats why I am weak tight

shark6 · #3 07-19-2006, 11:13 PM

I donk the flop. If Button raises there I call down. You have a BD flush draw and straight draw and hidden outs if behind.

Jake (The Snake) · #4 07-19-2006, 11:16 PM

You don't need to raise the flop. This is WA/WB.

Villain likely isn't calling down a flop raise with hands you beat, and there is nothing to protect from. Moreover, he raised preflop and bet the flop. There is a very good chance you are beat.

TitanFan · #5 07-19-2006, 11:56 PM

Hmm, so with WAWB, should I bet/fold the river? (assuming I only just called the flop, and turn). I'm just trying to clarify the WAWB line. (does it need to include Bet/fold on the end?)

Jake (The Snake) · #6 07-20-2006, 12:12 AM

Generally, you do want to bet out on the end because you get value from hands that would have checked through (hands like PP) and a raise is unlikely to be a hand that beats you.

This isn't always the best option in WA/WB hands. Sometimes a c/c or b/c is better.

For instance, if you had something like KK on a A9732 board, there are some opponents that you will never get value from by betting (they will fold all PP and call with aces)... but they may well bet TT-QQ if you check so c/c is the best line.

dchz · #7 07-20-2006, 03:00 AM

yeah i agree, if you raised the flop, then it's a bet fold on the river, not a check/call

n.s. · #8 07-20-2006, 03:23 AM

I think the PF call is a little thin. Limping AXs is fine if the table conditions are right and you expect a lot of limpers, but 2 off the button here (with only one limper) I think it's raise or fold, and I'd fold it most of the time.

Jake (The Snake) · #9 07-20-2006, 03:43 AM

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and a raise is unlikely to be a hand that beats you.

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a raise is likely to be a hand that beats you

TitanFan · #10 07-20-2006, 04:21 PM

cool! thank you for Clarifying Jake, This post is really helpful!