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Old 07-18-2006, 12:13 AM
silentbob silentbob is offline
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Default Important \"secondary\" PT stats?

Beyond the usual VPIP/PFR/AF numbers, are there any other stats that we can look at to get a better read on Villains?

One thing I've seen discussed here from time to time is WTSD as an indicator of someone who will fold to c-bets vs. a calling station. Is there anything else?

What about W$WSF? Does a higher-than-average number indicate something, or is that simply variance?

Also, is there a way we can find out that someone is a set miner or nut peddler?

If there's already a thread from the past on this topic, a link would be much appreciated.
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Old 07-18-2006, 01:00 AM
Slap My Jack Slap My Jack is offline
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Default Re: Important \"secondary\" PT stats?

Set miners possess a low VPIP, usually in the teens or lower, accompanied with a low pfr usually of a single digit 5-4%.

Well, if you weren't sure about how to identify setminers, you might want to just look-up these stats in the help files of the programs used to collect them first and then ask some more detailed questions.
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Old 07-18-2006, 01:11 AM
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Default Re: Important \"secondary\" PT stats?

i use the Fold to cbet stat in PA hud quite a bit
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Old 07-18-2006, 03:56 AM
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Default Re: Important \"secondary\" PT stats?

The secondary ones I like a lot in PA (not all are in PT I think):

Fold to Cbet: if this is very high I'll in general give up when they do call. 4/5 6/8 are the low numbers to influence my play

Cbet: only interesting when it's very low after about 8 or more.

Cbet turn: Very good one. When a villain has this at 1 or 2 from 7 or so I will basically float any 2 on the flop in position. Takes some time before you have enough hands on villain to make this meaningful though. (Also check the c/r turn just to make sure)

W$SD: if low valuebet, do not bluff. If high bluff, don't valuebet marginal hands
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