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07-02-2006, 08:49 PM
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AA facing check/raise all-in on turn
Villain is new to the table so nothing at all about him.
Poker Room skin No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 5 players Converter Stack sizes: Hero: $56.05 CO: $33.05 Button: $45.55 SB: $41.85 BB: $97.90 Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds. Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4</font>, SB calls. Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($12.5, 2 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $9</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in $35.85</font>, Hero ? Hard to think of what he could have that would cause him to cold call the flop and then push the turn. 
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#2
07-03-2006, 07:47 AM
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Re: AA facing check/raise all-in on turn
I'd guess AJ, TT, JJ or even 55 (depending on how loose he is postflop). If he had any bigger pair he'd of reraised on the flop. AK, is likely too and might feel top pair with a gutshot is a good hand here. With 55 he probably just calling the flop bet to see what happens on the turn, he might feel the implied odds are worth it.
Tough call to make without a read or stats. I'd lay it down.
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#3
07-03-2006, 08:00 AM
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Re: AA facing check/raise all-in on turn
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I'd guess AJ, TT, JJ or even 55 (depending on how loose he is postflop). If he had any bigger pair he'd of reraised on the flop. AK, is likely too and might feel top pair with a gutshot is a good hand here. With 55 he probably just calling the flop bet to see what happens on the turn, he might feel the implied odds are worth it. Tough call to make without a read or stats. I'd lay it down. [/ QUOTE ] This is not even close to his range. His range is much wider here, though I'm not sure how wide. At least 2 pair and TP, possibly mp or bottom pair.
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#4
07-03-2006, 09:09 AM
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Re: AA facing check/raise all-in on turn
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His range is much wider here, though I'm not sure how wide. At least 2 pair and TP, possibly mp or bottom pair. [/ QUOTE ] You think villain is checkraising all-in on a KQT board vs. someone who raised preflop and bet both flop and turn, with middle or bottom pair? Where do I play this game? Villain is either bluffing or, much more likely, has the nuts. Two pair is possible, but I think very unlikely; most villains would bet out the two pair for some protection. It's the flopped straight that check/calls, then checkraises all-in. Easy fold without a read.
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#5
07-03-2006, 09:13 AM
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Re: AA facing check/raise all-in on turn
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Easy fold without a read. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, seriously. I'm a limidonk, and I know better than to call this without a ridiculous read. That board hits every donkey's favorite set of hands, namely double broadways.
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#6
07-03-2006, 09:17 AM
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Re: AA facing check/raise all-in on turn
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[ QUOTE ] His range is much wider here, though I'm not sure how wide. At least 2 pair and TP, possibly mp or bottom pair. [/ QUOTE ] You think villain is checkraising all-in on a KQT board vs. someone who raised preflop and bet both flop and turn, with middle or bottom pair? Where do I play this game? Villain is either bluffing or, much more likely, has the nuts. Two pair is possible, but I think very unlikely; most villains would bet out the two pair for some protection. It's the flopped straight that check/calls, then checkraises all-in. Easy fold without a read. [/ QUOTE ] With mid and bottom pairs it would obviously qualify as a bluff. And yeah, I think I'd fold here too, but I still don't agree with lorez's range here, it is wider. You don't think villain can do this with KJ/QJ? The all-in is just under PSR, it's not a huge overbet. Hero needs over 33% Equity to stay in.
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#7
07-03-2006, 09:17 AM
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Re: AA facing check/raise all-in on turn
Easy fold.
I check the turn behind too. You are not gonna win a lot of money with unimproved AA on such board.
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#8
07-03-2006, 09:37 AM
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Re: AA facing check/raise all-in on turn
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You don't think villain can do this with KJ/QJ? The all-in is just under PSR, it's not a huge overbet. Hero needs over 33% Equity to stay in. [/ QUOTE ] The turn play with those hands is definitely possible, but that flop/turn line with KJ/QJ just looks weird and a little fishy. If I were going to go aggro with one of those hands, I'd do it on the flop, with two cards to come. As villain on the turn, with Hero having led twice, you know with KJ/QJ that your made hand is very likely worthless, and you're just drawing. You're getting a decent price, so why go nuts when there's a great chance that you have zero FE? Lots of hands could decide to basically bluff this board if you knew that Hero had AA, but villain doesn't know that; and Hero's pfr combined with that board should give villain great pause -- unless he knows he's a winner.
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#9
07-03-2006, 10:23 AM
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Re: AA facing check/raise all-in on turn
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You don't think villain can do this with KJ/QJ? [/ QUOTE ] Maybe I'm not giving the villian credit or maybe too much credit but I think given the flop the villian would bet out and try and take control of the hand as they are still vulnerable. You also have to ask what does he thinks of the hero as well. What range of hands he would put the hero on. That's if he thinks beyond his hand at all. I think like most players it's the latter and he's just playing his cards. People have a tendency to slow play sets and try for a CR on the turn thinking it's a sexy move. But after all this is just conjecture with out reads/stats. Also, I'll add that I'm not a 6max player so maybe this taints my judgement on starting hands in these games.
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