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#1
06-22-2006, 02:45 AM
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I stand fast with WA/WB in the face of relentless turn improvement.
Opponent is sort of tight-passive, but not all the way ball-less (11/6/1.3). Sexy or sucky turn? I was betting the river no matter what the card.
Party Poker 2.00/4.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (7.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (4.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (6.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls. Final Pot: 8.75 BB. 
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#3
06-22-2006, 05:55 AM
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Re: I stand fast with WA/WB in the face of relentless turn improvement
I would've raised the turn. Make him pay to draw to that 4th spade. (if you get reraised it sucks, but you still have your fullhouse outs to fall back on)
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#4
06-22-2006, 08:32 AM
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Re: I stand fast with WA/WB in the face of relentless turn improvement
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I would've raised the turn. Make him pay to draw to that 4th spade. (if you get reraised it sucks, but you still have your fullhouse outs to fall back on) [/ QUOTE ] if you get reraised on the turn, i doubt it's a flush. a player who only raises 6% of hands pf and is going to make the boat outs really dirty.
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#5
06-22-2006, 09:51 AM
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Re: I stand fast with WA/WB in the face of relentless turn improvement.
bet/folding the turn seems better; i don't think this guy would blow you off a better hand. he is sooooo tight preflop and eeeeeeeeeeeven tighter as a pfr. that scares the crap out of me and i just don't know if we can consistently expect a 1.3AF to fire on such a scary turn with a WORSE hand.
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#6
06-22-2006, 10:32 AM
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Re: I stand fast with WA/WB in the face of relentless turn improvement
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[ QUOTE ] I would've raised the turn. Make him pay to draw to that 4th spade. (if you get reraised it sucks, but you still have your fullhouse outs to fall back on) [/ QUOTE ] if you get reraised on the turn, i doubt it's a flush. a player who only raises 6% of hands pf and is going to make the boat outs really dirty. [/ QUOTE ] How exactly is he going to do that with top trips? You have the same boat outs plus the 9 unless he has QQ; of course then you'd be playing for the split (if he has AK), if that's what you mean by dirty (and it is). I don't think I c/c the turn, either bet out or c/r. If we're saying he only has AA, AK, or QQ, then you are fairly ahead (AA with A of spades), badly behind (AK) or kinda badly behind (QQ). So that leaves you with 6 combos ahead and 7 behind...not sure where I am going with this anymore...I bet out and see what he does, in case he checks behind with the A of spades.
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#7
06-22-2006, 11:34 AM
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Re: I stand fast with WA/WB in the face of relentless turn improvement.
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bet/folding the turn seems better; i don't think this guy would blow you off a better hand. he is sooooo tight preflop and eeeeeeeeeeeven tighter as a pfr. that scares the crap out of me and i just don't know if we can consistently expect a 1.3AF to fire on such a scary turn with a WORSE hand. [/ QUOTE ] Don't we feel like we have possibly 9 outs on the turn?
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#8
06-22-2006, 11:35 AM
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Re: I stand fast with WA/WB in the face of relentless turn improvement.
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[ QUOTE ] bet/folding the turn seems better; i don't think this guy would blow you off a better hand. he is sooooo tight preflop and eeeeeeeeeeeven tighter as a pfr. that scares the crap out of me and i just don't know if we can consistently expect a 1.3AF to fire on such a scary turn with a WORSE hand. [/ QUOTE ] Don't we feel like we have possibly 9 outs on the turn? [/ QUOTE ] yeah, bet/folding is retarded. leave me alone.
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#9
06-22-2006, 11:44 AM
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Re: I stand fast with WA/WB in the face of relentless turn improvement.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] bet/folding the turn seems better; i don't think this guy would blow you off a better hand. he is sooooo tight preflop and eeeeeeeeeeeven tighter as a pfr. that scares the crap out of me and i just don't know if we can consistently expect a 1.3AF to fire on such a scary turn with a WORSE hand. [/ QUOTE ] Don't we feel like we have possibly 9 outs on the turn? [/ QUOTE ] yeah, bet/folding is retarded. leave me alone. [/ QUOTE ] b/c, btw.
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#10
06-22-2006, 12:57 PM
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Re: I stand fast with WA/WB in the face of relentless turn improvement.
wow.....NO WAY at 2-4 would you ever see me raise in mp3 with k,9(s). online opponents come & go. who would i be trying to fool? at 2-4, opponents generally DO NOT FOLD when they should. this fact coupled with the fact that k,9 is often dominated makes k,9(s) in mp3 as a raise or as a 1st limp UNPROFITABLE....
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