A234 spot

TxRedMan · #1 06-10-2006, 10:01 PM

four limpers, I raise button with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3x4x

Blinds call, all limpers call

Flop

5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

UTG bets, MP raises, HJ calls, my action?

9.5 BB's in the pot....

peel or fold here?

-Tex

DougShrapnel · #2 06-10-2006, 10:06 PM

In my experience it's a fold.

Raul Wong · #3 06-10-2006, 10:30 PM

I have been folding in spots like this with out a thought. Is there really any merit towards peeling here for two bets? I have been folding for even one bet in some occasions when there are a couple more players to act behind me.

niss · #4 06-10-2006, 10:42 PM

Tex, I can't believe this is a serious question.

StrikeR300 · #5 06-10-2006, 10:50 PM

I have problems in situations like this too. I usually peel (esp. in last pos. after I raised), but seriously folding is probally optimal against 2 fairly competent oponents. The fact that there are 2 oponents here helps your cause a bit, but both most likely have much more (like 2x+) equity than you. You could very likely be drawing to a quarter even if you make your low, & it'd take runner-runner to make a nut/quality high (which could still be easily quartered).

If you peel do you fold to a 7/8 non spade? What about a lc diamond?

TxRedMan · #6 06-11-2006, 12:23 AM

I'm asking for another reason Niss.

TheStation · #7 06-11-2006, 12:37 AM

I personally dont think its worth it to peel a card as your chances at high are so slim with bkdr flush and str8 draws to go with unconterfeitable bkdr low draw...

Buzz could give some real numbers but I just dont see the equity as you are going to probably have to call 2+ bets on the turn as well

Fiasco · #8 06-11-2006, 12:44 AM

this is a definite raise, that way if you get the perfect turn card, you can check behind

alwaysburied · #9 06-11-2006, 02:29 AM

Fiasco, you're not going to get checked to on the turn here. As far as the question goes, you've got to fold. I don't really consider "peeling" calling 2 bets, or possibly more. Then, if the turn comes even decent for your hand, let's say it comes a small diamond. Now you're in position to call multiple bets again, drawing at half. Better off waiting for another hand.
-md
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Fiasco · #10 06-11-2006, 06:01 AM

I was making a joke, a very obvious joke.