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#1
06-14-2006, 01:48 PM
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50-100 Hand
6 handed. Decent-good villian opens after one fold. He is a winner, i have no idea how big or small, i haven't played with him all that much. I 3 bet from the SB with XX, he calls. The flop is
3h 9s 4c I bet and he calls. Turn is the 8c I bet and he calls River is the 7d I bet and he raises. What is your minimum hand to call here? To three bet? Why? 
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#3
06-14-2006, 02:04 PM
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Re: 50-100 Hand
Well to elaborate a little more here, he probably thinks i am a tough player, probably winner, but capable of spewing a little and taking unorthodox lines. Does than enable you to give a better range?
As far not re-raising without the nuts, you need to literally have a straight? It seems so unlikely/impossible for him to have?
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#4
06-14-2006, 02:12 PM
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Re: 50-100 Hand
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1. Very dependant on what's been going on. Might call AJ here. Might fold T9. 2. I won't reraise here without the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] i dont think id EVER call AJ here. not unless im against a raging lunatic. Barrom
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#5
06-14-2006, 02:13 PM
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Re: 50-100 Hand
Well if nothing crazy's been going on then I may fold some pairs here. He's unlikely to have a hand worse than ace high here (QJ/QT should be the only ones), and people generally don't think of bluffing with ace high or better. Obviously there's a feel element, but all I can really say is this is, for me, a fold-one, fold-all spot (he's not raising any medium strength hands for value), so I will occasionally fold a pair here.
As to reraising, why don't you think he can have JT/65s?? They both seem very likely to me, 16 combinations of the former and 4 of 65s. Only 3 combinations of 77 though.
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#7
06-14-2006, 04:32 PM
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Re: 50-100 Hand
I'm just calling with a set here on the river because his hand looks more like JT and 65 or a bluff. You're losing value with 99 or 88 against a less likely 87 and 77 but that is such a small part of his range. All the other 2 pairs he can have would have most likely come to life on the flop or turn.
I'm definitely at a loss for what my min hand here is to call river since this really looks like he lucked into a straight or has jack. If I'm calling with AA here shouldn't I also be calling with A8??
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#8
06-14-2006, 07:48 PM
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Re: 50-100 Hand
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I'm definitely at a loss for what my min hand here is to call river since this really looks like he lucked into a straight or has jack. If I'm calling with AA here shouldn't I also be calling with A8?? [/ QUOTE ] This is the crux of the hand here. And i mean really, what is the difference between AA and 34 here? Would he really bluff like this. This spot is more ugly than most are making it i think, i feel calling tihs river with Ace high would be a ginormous error here.
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#9
06-14-2006, 08:19 PM
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Re: 50-100 Hand
I find that in spots like this it is extremely rare that they will bluff at all. Even a complete donk would know you have at least Ax and that a lot of times given the nice pot most people would call down with just A high.
I wouldn't call here unless I have a real strong hand. I have laid down overpairs in this spot in the past but this is of course player dependent.
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#10
06-14-2006, 09:08 PM
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Re: 50-100 Hand
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[ QUOTE ] I'm definitely at a loss for what my min hand here is to call river since this really looks like he lucked into a straight or has jack. If I'm calling with AA here shouldn't I also be calling with A8?? [/ QUOTE ] This is the crux of the hand here. And i mean really, what is the difference between AA and 34 here? Would he really bluff like this. This spot is more ugly than most are making it i think, i feel calling tihs river with Ace high would be a ginormous error here. [/ QUOTE ] Betting this river with A-high is a huge error IMO. Yes, even AK (for value) or AJ (to try to fold AQ/AK).
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