QQ facing a push and call on the flop, now what? (full ring)

HoldEmNewby · #1 06-08-2006, 10:46 AM

UTG stats are 21.31/8.2
MP2 stats are 23.33/13.14

Is it a fold or push here?

If UTG folds to MP2s push does that change our line in any way?

The way I read it was that MP2 could have JJ,TT, T9, 99,66, 87, 44 (ie. pair + draw, 2 pair, draw). Hes a player. I don't see him pushing with a made straight or set as it should be apparent to him that there is very little on this flop that could have helped me. I see him putting in a value raise with a made hand.

UTG limps and then cold calls preflop. To me he could be playing a suited connector but most likely I put him on JJ-66 with a greater possibility that he is holding something between 99-66 than JJ-TT, though the latter is a possibility. He checks and calls an all-in (very quickly). To me this screams he has a made hand.

Is my reasoning sound? Am I missing something in my approach to this hand?

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $25
UTG+1: $9.95
Hero: $26.30
MP1: $43.40
MP2: $39.99
MP3: $24.75
CO: $11.42
Button: $27.15
SB: $8.30
BB: $26.80

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $2.25, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, 5 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($7.35, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4.5, MP2 raises to $36, UTG calls all-in $22.75, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $13.25 returned to MP2.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($57.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $57.35)

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($57.35, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $57.35)

Results:
Final pot: $57.35

djoyce003 · #2 06-08-2006, 10:55 AM

i'd fold against the all in and call....you are either very very slightly ahead or you are absolutely crushed.

HoldEmNewby · #3 06-08-2006, 10:59 AM

djoyce, what if there is no call by UTG? do you still fold?

eldave04 · #4 06-08-2006, 11:07 AM

Maybe put in a pot sized bet after the flop, your bet looks like a continuation bet, and they could have taken it as AK/AQ/AJ missing the flop. if you still got raised tehn I would throw it away especially with two callers with so much action.

djoyce003 · #5 06-08-2006, 11:12 AM

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djoyce, what if there is no call by UTG? do you still fold?

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I might call then because the chances of being up against a smaller overpair or a combo draw are better so it's closer. After a push and a call though, the choices are more narrow and someone trying to protect 2 pair or a set is more likely + someone else with a combo draw.

lebski88 · #6 06-08-2006, 11:19 AM

You almost certainly behind here so definate fold. I really couldn't put them on hands it could be anything the way it was played - maybe straight draw vs. trips?