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Old 05-17-2006, 10:29 AM
NewUser2006 NewUser2006 is offline
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Default Small Pairs Limping UTG

What say ye... profitable or not profitable?

22-77
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Old 05-17-2006, 10:30 AM
Dan Bitel Dan Bitel is offline
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Default Re: Small Pairs Limping UTG

this is a bad poll. Its obvious thats it +EV to limp, the question is raising moer +EV or not?
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Old 05-17-2006, 10:31 AM
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Default Re: Small Pairs Limping UTG

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this is a bad poll. Its obvious thats it +EV to limp, the question is raising moer +EV or not?

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I'm still not convinced that it is for Full Ring... with the exception that you're on a table full of 35%VPIPers
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Old 05-17-2006, 11:26 AM
Mathemagician Mathemagician is offline
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Default Re: Small Pairs Limping UTG

Leak, IMO. The hands most eager to pay you off when you hit your small set (big pairs and AK) are likely to reraise you right out of the hand. Better to let them raise and maybe drag along another caller or two. Then set or fold the flop UTG for 22-77.

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P.S. FWIW, I am a full ring NL100 player.
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Old 05-17-2006, 11:29 AM
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Default Re: Small Pairs Limping UTG

FR i mix up raising small pairs from EP. a lot of times i limp just because theres so much left to happen behind me.
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Old 05-17-2006, 11:33 AM
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Default Re: Small Pairs Limping UTG

for me it depends on the field size and table texture.

sometimes the whole table is limpy and i can get 5:1 by joining in, othertimes its just me and two other really agro players and ill drop it because i dont want to be caught in a reraise battle preflop
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Old 05-17-2006, 11:48 AM
Shoe Lace Shoe Lace is offline
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Default Re: Small Pairs Limping UTG

Depends on the table for me too as well as what I've been doing recently (in the last few orbits). If I'm showing down solid hands all the time or people are folding to my c-bets often, I'll be much more likely to raise something like 55 from UTG.

If my image is somewhat weak (laying down a lot post-flop), I'll probably limp, or even fold if it's really bad like 33 in a table with a bunch of aggression (very good chance it'll get re-raised).

Overall I think it's +EV. Small pocket pairs are a pretty big winner for me, they don't win often, but when they do win it's a large pot more often than not.

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Oops, this is full ring.
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Old 05-17-2006, 12:03 PM
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Default Re: Small Pairs Limping UTG

Umm.. if you limp a small pair, getting raised behind by a big pair is not a bad thing at all. The problem is if you will get raised behind by something worse than a big pair, such as another small pair or a suited connector, etc. something which you will not stack even if you hit a set.

Against nits who only raise big pairs, limping small pockets is perfect.

Against good LAGs who will raise with lots of junk but not pay off, limping small pockets is bad.
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Old 05-17-2006, 12:54 PM
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Default Re: Small Pairs Limping UTG

Hm... How can limping UTG w/ low pair profitable in 6max? If the table is that passive i doubt how much u make after the flop...
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Old 05-17-2006, 12:55 PM
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Default Re: Small Pairs Limping UTG

Nice post cbloom.

I'll often limp them and call or fold to a raise depending on a number of factors, including stacks, who's in the hand, size of the raise, time of the day, etc.
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