10/20 Maybe Boring Flop Question

Harv72b · #1 05-02-2006, 01:50 AM

Joined the table chasing a buddy who promptly left; this is my first orbit. No reads at all on UTG or MP2. I have VPIP'd one prior time, stealing the blinds from the Button.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 5 folds, UTG caps, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero...?

Hobbs. · #2 05-02-2006, 01:54 AM

combinatorially you are ahead of his preflop capping range {AA-QQ,AK} and even further ahead if we throw in JJ. I think the flop is an easy peel and whether or not to calldown is a tough question, although I would lean towards showing down.

Harv72b · #3 05-02-2006, 01:58 AM

Does the third player in the pot affect your decision at all?

Hobbs. · #4 05-02-2006, 02:01 AM

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Does the third player in the pot affect your decision at all?

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missed him. Ummmm not to sure anymore...It probably doesn't matter much either way.

nubs · #5 05-02-2006, 02:22 AM

If you are better than even money against his capping range I don't see how you fold getting 14.5:1. What range do you think MP2 would cold call three bets with?

Harv72b · #6 05-02-2006, 02:41 AM

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No idea; I don't even have any PT hands on him at this point.

I was considering all 3 options here, for what that's worth.

WalkAmongUs · #7 05-02-2006, 07:43 AM

how about raising the flop to elbow out MP2 and get a turn free card? i think you could probably safely fold if he 3-bets you.

Nick Royale · #8 05-02-2006, 08:27 AM

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Huh?

My first instinct was that I'm not folding this flop, but I was not sure if I would raise or call. I first liked raising, but since the third player won't fold even a gut-shot and he will be correct not to I don't see many benefits with a raise. I like to get to a sd here but I'm not sure how.

Flintoff · #9 05-02-2006, 08:28 AM

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how about raising the flop to elbow out MP2 and get a turn free card? i think you could probably safely fold if he 3-bets you.

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Jeffage · #10 05-02-2006, 08:52 AM

I'd fold based on the fact that you're in the middle here. It's just too likely one of them has an ace and there is the possibility it will be raised behind you. If you decide to continue here, I think raising is better than calling. If you think raising is out of the question here, I'd lean towards passing.

Jeff