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Old 03-18-2007, 04:49 AM
Ampelmann Ampelmann is offline
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Default (NL10) flush against possible boat

No reads on villain.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1.75
UTG+1: $9.90
MP1: $7.55
MP2: $10
MP3: $9.65
CO: $8
Button: $14.40
SB: $3.40
Hero: $18.90

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($0.4, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $0.4</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $1.6</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3.6, 2 players)
Hero ?

Do you just bet out here? How do you response to a raise? Or maybe just check and hope for a cheap showdown?
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Old 03-18-2007, 01:56 PM
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Default Re: (NL10) flush against possible boat

Nobody? Is this such a simple problem?

Anything on my flop play?
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Old 03-18-2007, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: (NL10) flush against possible boat

SB is so short stacked that I'd just push the flop when he raises me.

So, given the size of his stack, push the flop.

On the turn, I don't know how you can fold for the little that he has left unless he flips his full house over and shows it to you. So, the question is whether it is best to check/call to let some worse hands bet, or whether it is best to open push - in which case only better hands will probably call unless he is prone to over playing TP w/ 1-card flush draws.

Edit: Oh, and depending on the nature of the game and your image, this type of playable-but-sub-premium hand is perfect for making a big raise preflop in an effort to steal from all the limpers. This move is best a weak-tight games and might not work at microlimits. NLHETAP has a blurb on this play, and T6s might be a good candidate for it.
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Old 03-18-2007, 02:16 PM
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Default Re: (NL10) flush against possible boat

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Edit: Oh, and depending on the nature of the game and your image, this type of playable-but-sub-premium hand is perfect for making a big raise preflop in an effort to steal from all the limpers. This move is best a weak-tight games and might not work at microlimits. NLHETAP has a blurb on this play, and T6s might be a good candidate for it.

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I make that play sometimes, but only with at most 2 limpers and only if I know them. Many players are just too happy to call 7x-raises after limping.
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Old 03-18-2007, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: (NL10) flush against possible boat

I 3bet flop PSR or shove most of the time as ZOMG we got a FD+GSSD. As played I lead turn and fold to a raise but it got ugly here.
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Old 03-18-2007, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: (NL10) flush against possible boat

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I 3bet flop PSR or shove most of the time as ZOMG we got a FD+GSSD. As played I lead turn and fold to a raise but it got ugly here.

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Surely you don't fold with these stack sizes?

With Villain this short, have you really got odds to just call to see the turn? If you whiff, you can't call a push, and if you hit you haven't got the biggest implied odds here. I just push the flop, but if you don't like that, i think folding is better than calling for the reasons above.

As played i push the turn
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Old 03-18-2007, 03:31 PM
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Default Re: (NL10) flush against possible boat

Aren't we like 80BB deep effstacks? Is that so short really?
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Old 03-18-2007, 07:29 PM
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Default Re: (NL10) flush against possible boat

sorry, was looking at SB's stack, not the CO. You're right, bet/fold turn as played
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