Can I fold two pair heads-up?

[Captain R]

This hand is from long ago, but it was interesting to me at the time.

20-40 live:

Folded around to CO who open-raises. CO will steal-raise here as per normal 20-40 players. But otherwise plays fairly careful/passive. Folded to me in BB, I look down at A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and 3-bet. CO 4-bets. This means he has a real hand. Strong pocket pair, or A-good kicker. I call.

Flop is A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I check, he bets, I call.

Turn is Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I check, he bets. He definitely has a strong hand here, he's not betting with 99. I go over the possibilities in my head -- all of them look pretty grim.

AA - 4 outs to tie (JJJJ) = 2 outs
AK - 4 outs to tie (JJJJ), 2 to win (QQ) = 4 outs
KK/QQ - 2 outs (AA), 4 outs to tie (JJJJ) = 4 outs
JJ - 4 outs (AAQQ), 2 outs to tie = 5 outs
AJ - 4 outs (AAQQ), 3 outs to tie = 5.5 outs
TT - 4 outs, 4 outs to tie = 6 outs.
AQ - we tie.

There's 6.25 BB in the pot, so I need about 7:1 to call. At best, I have a 6 outer if he has TT, but I think on average I have about 3-5 outs. In some cases it's worse than this if he has a flush draw (royal flush, actually) too. Obviously, if he has a set he doesn't have a flush draw, but I have to discount for this.

I fold. After I fold, he says the turn helped him.

[Derek123]

Id probably call the turn and then c/f river. 4 outs to fill up, 4 outs to chop, and a small chance of having the best hand.

[yellowjack]

the fold is perfect for the reasons you evaluated. you are never ahead here unless he was throwing in a random 4-bet PF without one of the hands you listed.

if anyone recalls a post in MHSH regarding a poster (possibly kurosh) vs. heisenb3rg plz where he folds a similar hand, please provide the link. in the post, OP feels that both he and heisenberg had been playing very well up to that point.

[yellowjack]

Oops, lagerborg, not 2p2 poster heisenberg. The hands played very differently but involve the same kinds of cards.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rt=all&vc=1

[tradingman123]

I dont think you can fold this heads up. You are chopping or have the best hand more than 7 to 1 imo.