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Old 08-19-2006, 08:32 PM
lowkey lowkey is offline
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sorry dont know how to convert FT HH

($400 PLO) effective stacks ~ 400

Hero raises in MP w/ Ac As 6s Qs to 14, 3 callers

Flop (56) 4s Kh 5s

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $36, two folds , BB raises to $200, Hero ???
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:29 PM
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shove
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Old 08-19-2006, 11:05 PM
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If opponent has a set, he is 2-1 dog and DOES NOT have value to call, let alone reraise. If opponent has top 2 then he is flipping a coin with said opponent and should call. In neither of these scenarios should he consider reraising. After all, if the turn pairs the king, he can fold the last $200 if his read is such. Very few good players will raise just a straight wrap here, since they must be aware that the flush draw damages their chance of winning. A straight wrap with a small flush draw sure , or an outside straight draw with small flush draw and pair also.
I would call and reassess my last $200 on the turn. No point shoving since your opponent isn't folding the turn, atleast give yourself more information.
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Old 08-20-2006, 12:03 AM
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so ribbo if we call and board doesnt pair and no spade or ace do we call all in?
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Old 08-20-2006, 09:24 AM
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You would be calling 200 to win 800. Your flush draw is 22.5% to hit and you have two additional outs from the aces (at a bare minimum), so calling is automatic in the scenario.
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Old 08-20-2006, 10:50 AM
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You've either got to go all in or fold here. I'm assuming from the numbers you actually bet the pot ($56) on the flop. So if you reraise all in you're at this point you're going to be putting in $330 to win $500, assuming you each started with $400. You need about 40% equity. You're about 45% vs. two pair, about a 2-1 dog vs. a set, and ~55-65% against something like a wrap draw. If I'm unfamiliar with my opponent I would take the conservative route and fold here. However, if I think there's even a decent chance they are betting a draw here I'll reraise.
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Old 08-20-2006, 11:10 AM
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Yeah, maybe just calling is a better option. Reraising gives you little, if any fold equity, and you're a dog to most of his possible holdings.
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Old 08-20-2006, 11:26 AM
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Push or fold, dont call.
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Old 08-20-2006, 11:51 AM
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Default Re: common situation

[ QUOTE ]
sorry dont know how to convert FT HH

($400 PLO) effective stacks ~ 400

Hero raises in MP w/ Ac As 6s Qs to 14, 3 callers

Flop (56) 4s Kh 5s

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $36, two folds , BB raises to $200, Hero ???

[/ QUOTE ]

This is a very common situation, and I don't think there is a "right" way to play it. Depends a lot on your reads of villains, etc.

If BB is a LAG type, then it's an easy push. If BB is tight, I would fold here expecting KK most of the time.
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Old 08-20-2006, 01:23 PM
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Default Re: common situation

Everyone that suggests calling, what do we do when a 3 or 4 falls? Or if the turn falls Ks ?

Charlie could be on a very wide hand distribution containing hands such as two pairs, wraps, flush draws combined with e.g. a straightdraw.

Folding is way to weak and I dislike calling since we might be scared out of the pot when charlie's holding nothing but a draw.

The bad part is that our folding equity is probably close to non-existing right here, but I would push the flop nine times out of ten anyway.
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