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Old 10-08-2007, 01:43 AM
KhalynYohrk KhalynYohrk is offline
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Default Playing QQ on J hi flop, four bet pot.

Thoughts on the 4 bet size and plan of action after this flop considering villains cold call of large three bet appreciated.

Absolute Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $167.38
UTG+1: $247.55
CO: $37
Button: $43.50
SB: $73.09
BB: $111.43

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $14</font>, 4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $48</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($97.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $49</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $119.38</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($336.26, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $336.26)


River: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($336.26, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $336.26)


Results:
Final pot: $336.26
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Old 10-08-2007, 01:47 AM
manupod manupod is offline
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Default Re: Playing QQ on J hi flop, three bet pot.

4 bet pot ldo

why c/r? just shove
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Old 10-08-2007, 02:07 AM
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Default Re: Playing QQ on J hi flop, three bet pot.

looks fine to me
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Old 10-08-2007, 02:11 AM
KhalynYohrk KhalynYohrk is offline
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Default Re: Playing QQ on J hi flop, three bet pot.

I was weighing my options as to how to proceed, open shove seems silly given that ak folds and ak is probably only hand That calls 4 bet that I have beat. Hence c/r to get action from AK/AQ C/F was the other option and I considered it due to his range probably has me crushed most of the time if he is an average to decent player. 10 10 JJ have sets and KK AA have me dominated. I honestly think cr was better than shoving. But am curious if c/f is better than c/r. For reasons stated above.
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:00 AM
Daddy Warbucks Daddy Warbucks is offline
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Default Re: Playing QQ on J hi flop, three bet pot.

This is pretty much the worst flop possibly for our hand, but given you already have 1/3 of your stack in the middle, i'm not sure how good a fold is.
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:40 AM
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Default Re: Playing QQ on J hi flop, three bet pot.

This 4 bet is no good then, because there is no pot control and I have to get it in an almost all flops, is that safe to say?? Any input appreciated.
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:41 AM
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Default Re: Playing QQ on J hi flop, three bet pot.

Well stats would be good, but no, i don't think the 4 bet is usually bad.
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:45 AM
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Default Re: Playing QQ on J hi flop, three bet pot.

Yes, I don't like the 4-bet. You probably get almost every hand worse than yours to fold out preflop given positions and stack sizes, while you end up value stacking yourself against KK/AA.
As for flop line, I agree that the board is terrible, but there is just so much in the pot compared to our stack size that you can't fold.
What stats/reads do you have on villain?
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:57 AM
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Default Re: Playing QQ on J hi flop, three bet pot.

35vpip 8pfr 74h I still havent figured out a way to check up stats while playing though so I was w/o when this hand went down. I look up players I know that I have history with obv. I used to run pokeroffice and it had the stats on screen all the time. Is there a way to do this with PT? What is the best way to have stats ready w/ PT?
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Old 10-08-2007, 08:06 AM
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Default Re: Playing QQ on J hi flop, three bet pot.

you need PAHUD to overlay the stats while you play.
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