nl200: did i have to lose a buy in here (multiple hands)

pattay · #1 10-16-2007, 12:01 AM

so here are some of the hands i got stacked with or doubled someone up on today, which ones were played ok, and which were spew? i left a few that were super obvious one way or the other

1) Villain here is capaneo, and hes been pushing me around/outplaying me all day

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($198)
Hero ($208.15)
UTG ($53.80)
UTG+1 ($248.55)
MP1 ($40)
MP2 ($325.60)
MP3 ($200)
CO ($420.45)
Button ($100)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises to $8, 4 folds, Hero raises to $28, MP2 calls $20.

Flop: ($57) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $36, MP2 raises to $297.6, Hero calls $144.15 (All-In).

Turn: ($417.30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($417.30) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $417.30

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ac Ad (one pair, aces).
MP2 has Tc Td (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: MP2 wins $534.75. 

2) I know, classic aces vs kings, but is this push preflop gonna get called by AK or JJ+? Villain is 11/9

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UTG+1 ($79)
MP1 ($192)
MP2 ($146.60)
CO ($91.40)
Button ($225.55)
SB ($237.80)
Hero ($203)
UTG ($344.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, SB raises to $18, Hero raises to $203, UTG folds, MP1 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls $185.

Flop: ($414) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: ($414) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($414) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $414

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ks Kh (two pair, kings and tens).
SB has As Ac (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: SB wins $414. 

3) im sure i played this badly, but i thought maybe i get value from a hand like QJ or a lower two pair i guess?

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MP2 ($242.65)
CO ($93.15)
Button ($67.30)
Hero ($195)
BB ($37)
UTG ($208.15)
UTG+1 ($160)
MP1 ($219.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, MP2 calls $8.

Flop: ($22) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $18, MP2 raises to $36, Hero raises to $80, MP2 raises to $232.65, Hero calls $105 (All-In).

Turn: ($392) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($392) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $392

Results in white below: 
Hero has Jc Th (two pair, jacks and tens).
MP2 has 7c 8c (straight, jack high).
Outcome: MP2 wins $439.65. 

4) Against jeff lauzon, so hes pretty aggro, and i put him on a pretty wide range here

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($36)
Hero ($192)
BB ($87.05)
UTG ($200)
UTG+1 ($204.75)
MP1 ($200)
MP2 ($709.40)
MP3 ($197)
CO ($447)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, 6 folds, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, UTG calls $8.

Flop: ($22) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $14, UTG calls $14.

Turn: ($50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $24, Hero raises to $82, UTG raises to $176, Hero calls $86 (All-In).

River: ($386) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $386

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9c Ac (two pair, nines and sevens).
UTG has 2c 2d (full house, twos full of sevens).
Outcome: UTG wins $394. 

okay i have more but dont wanna bombard you guys with hands, any input is appreciated here

CalledDownLight · #2 10-16-2007, 12:12 AM

I'm never folding hand 1 vs. caponeo.

I prefer a standard 3bet in hand 2, but if he flats I'm not finding a fold on the flop ever.

J10 hand is really sick and you overrepped your hand. This hand was posted by villain right? I don't think you can call this shove and the 3bet is bad imo. You beat like nothing at all.

I'd c/c or lead the turn in the last hand. c/r seems like it never gets value from worse and gets you stacked by better all the time.

WCGRider · #3 10-16-2007, 12:29 AM

I played a hand vs you ( I think its you? ) today and you shoved into me when i floated you, Pretty big shove given the pot size, i dont really understand how you can profitable shove there. *unless you put me on a range that is almost completely air*

But then again i folded, so who knows.

As for the hands you played 1/3 suck and pretty much nothing you can do, no way im folding either of these.

Hand 2 why did you shove like that? Hand 4 i probably just c/c.

Hklm8383 · #4 10-16-2007, 12:35 AM

gotta fold against a good regular like in hand 4

the rest seem fine

pattay · #5 10-16-2007, 12:51 AM

WCG - i remember the hand, i dont feel like looking for it, but im pretty sure i had like ace high or something. i also remember thinking it seemed like you had a marginal hand at best, maybe the overbet was a little much, but i was fairly certain you would fold, i wouldnt have made the same move against a random

hand two i shoved because i feel like it made me seem weak; whereas a three bet seems strong and screams aces or kings IMO

wcg and hklm - jl folds to a lot of my reraises, i wanted to take it down there and like i said before, i put his range far past a set, and he also has the ability to lay down hands like TT or JJ i feel like

bottomset · #6 10-16-2007, 01:09 AM

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gotta fold against a good regular like in hand 4

the rest seem fine

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totally disagree

pattay · #7 10-16-2007, 01:14 AM

about the top line or bottom?

BlueBear · #8 10-16-2007, 01:17 AM

Without looking at the replies.

1) OK
2) What's with the huge preflop overbet? You're not giving a chance for your opponent to make a mistake and go broke with weaker hands like JJ-QQ and other junk. Against a very nitty 11/9, you're only going to called by aces especially if you have TAG game yourself.
3) Call flop, re-evaluate turn. A 3-bet on the flop nearly folds all worse hands.
4) I think this is probably OK against an agro player.

bottomset · #9 10-16-2007, 01:22 AM

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about the top line or bottom?

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about that you need to fold wTPTK + nfd vs a good reg in that spot

it looks fine to me

Hklm8383 · #10 10-16-2007, 01:23 AM

ohh didnt see the draw..