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Old 07-11-2006, 12:28 PM
Supesimmo Supesimmo is offline
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Default Simple flopped nuts C-bet question

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($102.36)
BB ($14.25)
UTG ($22.36)
UTG+1 ($17.04)
UTG+2 ($14.10)
MP1 ($3.90)
MP2 ($33.48)
MP3 ($21.76)
Hero ($24.40)
Button ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $1.50, MP1 folds, MP2 folds.

Flop: ($4.35) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets ???

Final Pot: $6.85
Considering that I have the deck absolutely crippled here, is this one of those rare occasions when I shouldn't bet the flop.

Of course I want to build a big pot, but thats only happening if villain has a set or some freak holding such as K10 of clubs.

Bearing this in mind, should I still bet?
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:32 PM
TheHoss TheHoss is offline
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Default Re: Simple flopped nuts C-bet question

having the deck crippled is like having KK on a KK2 board, you don't have the deck crippled. Bet 3-4 or so on the flop, do you really think the average pp 25nl player is folding AJ/KJ/etc. here?
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:34 PM
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Default Re: Simple flopped nuts C-bet question

here is a novel idea, bet the same amount you would on a Qxx flop or a 36Tr flop.
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:35 PM
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Default Re: Simple flopped nuts C-bet question

I'm usually betting about 2.50 here, i dont object to a check though, depends on your opponent.
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:36 PM
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Default Re: Simple flopped nuts C-bet question

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here is a novel idea, bet the same amount you would on a Qxx flop or a 36Tr flop.

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thats basically what i said
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:38 PM
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Default Re: Simple flopped nuts C-bet question

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i dont object to a check though, depends on your opponent.

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i do object, its a HU pot im cbetting with any two i raised with unless villain is the biggest calling station ever. (fold to cbet &lt;30)
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:39 PM
MsgrMartinez MsgrMartinez is offline
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Default Re: Simple flopped nuts C-bet question

I think you need to bet and hope he'll play a pot with you. As you point out, the odds of him making a good but second-best hand on the turn if you give him a free card are slim.
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:39 PM
ChipStorm ChipStorm is offline
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Default Re: Simple flopped nuts C-bet question

Nuts + 25NL = Bet

Lots of players simply won't believe you flopped the flush. Lots of hands may stick with you for a street or two; a bare K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] almost certainly will. And if villain doesn't have a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] at all, you're probably not getting another penny out of him anyway.
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: Simple flopped nuts C-bet question

Bet because 1) if the board pairs on the turn you no longer have the nuts and 2) if a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] falls on the turn you'll lose any chance to get paid off.
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:43 PM
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Default Re: Simple flopped nuts C-bet question

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here is a novel idea, bet the same amount you would on a Qxx flop or a 36Tr flop.

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