NL50 When to bluff?

PureDiesel · #1 06-03-2007, 03:38 PM

Game #4555590324: Hold'em NL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/06/03 - 18:24:45 (UK)
Table "Vanillaice" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: 2timetony ($87.85 in chips)
Seat 2: boostmybr ($53.50 in chips)
boostmybr: posts small blind $0.25
2timetony: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to boostmybr [Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
boostmybr: raises to $1.50
2timetony: calls $1
----- FLOP ----- [J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
2timetony: checks
boostmybr: bets $2.50
2timetony: calls $2.50
----- TURN ----- [J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]][A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
2timetony: checks
boostmybr: bets $7
2timetony: raises to $14
boostmybr: folds
Returned uncalled bets $7 to 2timetony
2timetony: doesn't show hand
2timetony collected $21 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $22 Main pot $21 Rake $1
Board [Jh 4d 8s As]
Seat 1: 2timetony (big blind) collected $21
Seat 2: boostmybr (small blind) folded on the Turn
****HAND ENDS****

PureDiesel · #2 06-03-2007, 03:45 PM

N2:
Game #4552532184: Hold'em NL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/06/03 - 13:46:43 (UK)
Table "MagicRealism" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: ermos_7 ($23.70 in chips)
Seat 2: boostmybr ($25.20 in chips)
boostmybr: posts small blind $0.25
ermos_7: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to boostmybr [5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
boostmybr: raises to $1.25
ermos_7: calls $0.75
----- FLOP ----- [K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
ermos_7: bets $0.50
boostmybr: raises to $1.80
ermos_7: calls $1.30
----- TURN ----- [K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]][8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
ermos_7: bets $0.50
boostmybr: raises to $7
ermos_7: calls $6.50
----- RIVER ----- [K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]][2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
ermos_7: checks
boostmybr: checks
----- SHOW DOWN -----
ermos_7: shows [Qc Tc] (High Card King)
boostmybr: mucks hand [5h 7h]
ermos_7 collected $19.10 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $20.10 Main pot $19.10 Rake $1
Board [Kh Js 6s 8d 2d]
Seat 1: ermos_7 (big blind) showed [Qc Tc] and won ($19.10) with High Card King
Seat 2: boostmybr (small blind) mucked [5h 7h]
****HAND ENDS****

KakiTee · #3 06-03-2007, 07:10 PM

depends on opponent entirely

Sphere99991 · #4 06-03-2007, 07:33 PM

Dude, if you're going to raise that much on the flop, you can't just min-bet the turn. You're asking to get raised. Which is fine if you have something, but with 7 hi, you're not going to get any folds with that kind of bet.

MychCumstien · #5 06-03-2007, 08:15 PM

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Dude, if you're going to raise that much on the flop, you can't just min-bet the turn. You're asking to get raised. Which is fine if you have something, but with 7 hi, you're not going to get any folds with that kind of bet.

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I agree. You massively underbet both the flop and the turn. If you're going to bluff, try betting 1/2 to 1/3 the pot. Your min bet of 1/5 the pot is too tiny, and reps massive weakness (which you were). Most people will come over the top here, unless you're playing someone who is incredibly weak tight, or loose passive, in which case you'll just get called. The bottom line, no one is folding to your min bet here. If you don't get raised here, you are getting called 99% of the time. No one is folding with odds like that to call.

On the turn, you had no business calling the villains raise based on the pot odds; that was pretty gross actually, you're only getting 2-1 to call here, and you only have 8 outs to your straight. If the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] fell on the turn, I'd like it, but with only the str8 draw, I'm not happy with your call here.

creedofhubris · #6 06-03-2007, 09:04 PM

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Dude, if you're going to raise that much on the flop, you can't just min-bet the turn. You're asking to get raised. Which is fine if you have something, but with 7 hi, you're not going to get any folds with that kind of bet.

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I agree. You massively underbet both the flop and the turn. If you're going to bluff, try betting 1/2 to 1/3 the pot. Your min bet of 1/5 the pot is too tiny, and reps massive weakness (which you were). Most people will come over the top here, unless you're playing someone who is incredibly weak tight, or loose passive, in which case you'll just get called. The bottom line, no one is folding to your min bet here. If you don't get raised here, you are getting called 99% of the time. No one is folding with odds like that to call.

On the turn, you had no business calling the villains raise based on the pot odds; that was pretty gross actually, you're only getting 2-1 to call here, and you only have 8 outs to your straight. If the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] fell on the turn, I'd like it, but with only the str8 draw, I'm not happy with your call here.

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You guys have the action backwards on hand 2; hero is the one doing the raising, not the minbetting.

Both of these hands look fine on flop + turn. In hand 2, obv. if your read is that he's drawing, you need to fire that 3rd barrel. You can check behind with ace high or a small pair in this spot, since you might win by accident if he's just a donk who's chasing, but with 7 high you should often fire a 3rd barrel "value bluff" to make him drop. 1/2 pot is generally enough, and he only needs to fold 1/3 of the time to make it worthwhile.

MychCumstien · #7 06-03-2007, 09:29 PM

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Dude, if you're going to raise that much on the flop, you can't just min-bet the turn. You're asking to get raised. Which is fine if you have something, but with 7 hi, you're not going to get any folds with that kind of bet.

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I agree. You massively underbet both the flop and the turn. If you're going to bluff, try betting 1/2 to 1/3 the pot. Your min bet of 1/5 the pot is too tiny, and reps massive weakness (which you were). Most people will come over the top here, unless you're playing someone who is incredibly weak tight, or loose passive, in which case you'll just get called. The bottom line, no one is folding to your min bet here. If you don't get raised here, you are getting called 99% of the time. No one is folding with odds like that to call.

On the turn, you had no business calling the villains raise based on the pot odds; that was pretty gross actually, you're only getting 2-1 to call here, and you only have 8 outs to your straight. If the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] fell on the turn, I'd like it, but with only the str8 draw, I'm not happy with your call here.

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You guys have the action backwards on hand 2; hero is the one doing the raising, not the minbetting.

Both of these hands look fine on flop + turn. In hand 2, obv. if your read is that he's drawing, you need to fire that 3rd barrel. You can check behind with ace high or a small pair in this spot, since you might win by accident if he's just a donk who's chasing, but with 7 high you should often fire a 3rd barrel "value bluff" to make him drop. 1/2 pot is generally enough, and he only needs to fold 1/3 of the time to make it worthwhile.

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sorry, I mis read the action. I agree. I hate the villains min bets then with his draw, lol.

PureDiesel · #8 10-11-2007, 05:39 PM

UPDATE:
Cpraoul joined the table, played like total muppet and here the hand came up:
Game #5864075774: Hold'em NL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/10/11 - 22:09:55 (UK)
Table "Sabretooth" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: Cpraoul ($53.50 in chips)
Seat 2: boostmybr ($50.40 in chips)
boostmybr: posts small blind $0.25
Cpraoul: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to boostmybr [3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
boostmybr: raises to $2
Cpraoul: calls $1.50
----- FLOP ----- [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Cpraoul: bets $16.50
boostmybr: raises to $48.40 and is all-in
Cpraoul: calls $31.90
----- TURN ----- [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]][J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
----- RIVER ----- [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]][7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
----- SHOW DOWN ----
boostmybr: shows [3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] (A Full House, Eights full of Threes)
Cpraoul: shows [5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] (A Full House, Eights full of Fives)
Cpraoul collected $99.80 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $100.80 Main pot $99.80 Rake $1
Board [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
Seat 1: Cpraoul (big blind) showed [5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] and won ($99.80) with A Full House, Eights full of Fives
Seat 2: boostmybr (small blind) showed [3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] and lost with A Full House, Eights full of Threes
****HAND ENDS****

 After that he typed in chat the link to this post(which i fogot a long time ago).
Cpraoul - dumbass, this post was made a year ago. Wake up and learn that 2 pairs preflop is very seldom in HU. Against at least somewhat decent player I would've folded even small pocket pair in this case, but NOT against you agro-fish. To prove my words, one of the hands before this one :
Game #5864075144: Hold'em NL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/10/11 - 22:05:31 (UK)
Table "Sabretooth" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: Cpraoul ($54.30 in chips)
Seat 2: boostmybr ($50 in chips)
boostmybr: posts small blind $0.25
Cpraoul: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to boostmybr [4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
boostmybr: calls $0.25
Cpraoul: raises to $1
boostmybr: calls $0.50
----- FLOP ----- [5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
Cpraoul: checks
boostmybr: bets $2
Cpraoul: raises to $4
boostmybr: raises to $14
Cpraoul: calls $10
----- TURN ----- [5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]][J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
Cpraoul: checks
boostmybr: bets $14
Cpraoul: folds
Returned uncalled bets $14 to boostmybr
boostmybr: doesn't show hand
boostmybr collected $29 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $30 Main pot $29 Rake $1
Board [5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
Seat 1: Cpraoul (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: boostmybr (small blind) collected $29
****HAND ENDS****
 And now, the TOTAL PWNAGE hand, I've read you perfect and value-betted you very light, knowing your stupid tendencies :
Game #5864478634: Hold'em NL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/10/11 - 22:15:19 (UK)
Table "Sabretooth" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: Cpraoul ($102.75 in chips)
Seat 2: boostmybr ($50.90 in chips)
Cpraoul: posts small blind $0.25
boostmybr: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to boostmybr [A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
Cpraoul: calls $0.25
boostmybr: raises to $1
Cpraoul: calls $0.50
----- FLOP ----- [8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
boostmybr: bets $1
Cpraoul: calls $1
----- TURN ----- [8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]][3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
boostmybr: bets $2
Cpraoul: calls $2
----- RIVER ----- [8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]][8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
boostmybr: bets $0.50
Cpraoul: folds
Returned uncalled bets $0.50 to boostmybr
boostmybr: doesn't show hand
boostmybr collected $7.60 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $8 Main pot $7.60 Rake $0.40
Board [8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
Seat 1: Cpraoul (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: boostmybr (big blind) collected $7.60
****HAND ENDS****
 So, next time, when you come to play, don't be muppet and leave after one cooler.

PureDiesel · #9 10-11-2007, 06:21 PM

Ahaha, this clown joined the table again and left after 1 hand - what a retard.