QQ agains UTG raise+shove, bubble time 4/180

[Brandonjp13]

Min-raiser has been pretty standard nothin special ethier way. Shover has been shoving/folding mostly, couple of calls +Check/folds on the flop. I feel I can pretty much outplay the table. Do we call, shove, fold? Is it worth risking all our chips against AK and a smaller pairish type situation?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 (t7355)
MP1 (t7858)
MP2 (t12379)
CO (t9300)
Button (t8730)
Hero (t13803)
BB (t14230)
UTG (t27939)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t1200</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t9250</font>, hero does what here?

[timmay28]

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Is it worth risking all our chips against AK and a smaller pairish type situation?

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Yes.

[Brandonjp13]

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Is it worth risking all our chips against AK and a smaller pairish type situation?

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Yes.

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Suppose maybe you could explain? Against AK alone we are only a small favorite, throw in a pair and I'm pretty sure we fall below 50 percent to win.

[Clover78]

Certainly seems like you are getting the odds, you are still near 45% against AK and an underpair (if that is indeed what they have) and you will be getting 2 to 1 if UTG calls or some dead money in the pot in a race where you are a slight favorite if UTG folds.

[Brandonjp13]

I just somehow think it's wrong to take a less then a coinflip(assuming the shover doesnt wake up with a cooler like KK or AA) when I still have plenty of chips.

[swede554]

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I just somehow think it's wrong to take a less then a coinflip(assuming the shover doesnt wake up with a cooler like KK or AA) when I still have plenty of chips.

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Nonono you'll have CO dominated so often here you have to get it in.

[swede554]

Very easy shove. UTG's range should be pretty wide here given his stacksize and the apporoaching bubble. CO is probably aware of this even if he bad, even if he isn't aware of this, I'd say his range is 99+, AQ+. Get it in and be happy.

[timmay28]

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Is it worth risking all our chips against AK and a smaller pairish type situation?

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Yes.

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Suppose maybe you could explain? Against AK alone we are only a small favorite, throw in a pair and I'm pretty sure we fall below 50 percent to win.

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You'd be crazy to fold to such enormous pot odds. You only have 23x the bb and have to gamble at some point to get a big stack. By your logic, you'd also fold pocket aces here if half the table moved in.

[Tackleberry]

Bubble-time is meh ... You´ll get 8$? First gets about 200$? You don´t have "plenty of chips" any more. At the final table the average chip-count will be 30k. You have to get more than twice your chips to get REAL money (in relation to the buy-in).

UTG won´t call you without the absolute premium hands so most of the time you´ll end up as a 80% favourite on the flop, adding the nice amount of 11k to your stack - and prepare for the FT.

[Brandonjp13]

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Bubble-time is meh ... You´ll get 8$? First gets about 200$? You don´t have "plenty of chips" any more. At the final table the average chip-count will be 30k. You have to get more than twice your chips to get REAL money (in relation to the buy-in).

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Your probably right on this point. However if I lose 5K(Middle of the road scenario) that put me at 8K and doesn't give me the luxury of being able to blind of many chips. So we're taking a 50&lt; chance I lose some chips and combining that with probably a 30-40 percent chance I can double if i lose chips(Assuming I dont imeddiately get AK or AA or something). On the flip side if I win the 16K I'm right around 30K but that doesn't gurantee me a FT or a top 3 ethier but lets just say we magicly know i'd be 50 percent to top 3 if i did that. Your still asking me to take a &lt;50 chance for a 50 percent chance, when its entirely possiable I could find a better spot in the next 20-25 hands or at least similar(55-45 coinflip)