I hate my play with this overpair OOP

[Michaelson]

I think I played this hand terribly, but it's a sucky spot. Villain is a nit, 16/10/3.8.

I call the UTG raise because his range is so tight and I don't want to be re-raised off my hand. Given the way I check/call 3 streets with the overpair, though, this might be my problem. If I 3-bet at least I avoid the reverse implied odds of playing like a girl postflop.

Anyway, just curious what sort of approaches people might take to this spot. I can lead the flop, but really that's just a blocking bet and I get no value from whiffed overcards (which was my rationale during the hand for playing it the way I did: villain is quite aggro), and if I'm called, then what, c/c or c/f the turn I guess, but both those options feel sucky to me as well. So maybe c/c flop then lead at a safe turn and give up to resistance?

I really feel lost in this spot on all streets, so any general plan is appreciated.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $200.00
BB: $190.00
UTG: $212.80
MP: $250.50
CO: $357.40
BTN: $210.10

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $7.00, BB folds

Flop: ($18) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $12.00</font>, Hero calls $12.00

Turn: ($42) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $28.00</font>, Hero calls $28.00

River: ($98) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $64.00</font>, Hero calls $64.00

Pot Size: $226.00 ($3 Rake)

[mrjetguy]

You don't like the idea of doing a c/r on the flop? Seems like a pretty good option to me. He probably puts you on a pp from your pf coldcall, so he has reason to worry if you c/r the flop. I think he isn't likely to try and bluff you off your hand. If he shows more aggression, muck it.

[Learning]

I agree with the call preflop, but I think you have to raise his flop bet for two reasons.

1) Resistance and aggression. A check raise looks very strong to a nitty UTG raiser who is easily concerned with your possible set when holding an overpair. Although I doubt he's folding QQ+ to a raise here it leads to #2...

2) It tells you where you are in the hand. JJ+ will reraise your flop c/r a lot of the time, where you'll be able to comfortably fold. In the case that he does smooth call, you can proceed knowing that any overcard kills your hand and it's possible your behind a bigger pair. Making this reraise now will tell you much more about his hand and is much cheaper than calling all of his subsequent bets to the river.

It looks like you were taken to valuetown by a bigger overpair.

Also, I'm a uNLer - If my comments are way off-base please tell me.

Edit - Damnit he made my points before me and I look so much less intelligent.

[Michaelson]

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I agree with the call preflop, but I think you have to raise his flop bet for two reasons.

1) Resistance and aggression. A check raise looks very strong to a nitty UTG raiser who is easily concerned with your possible set when holding an overpair. Although I doubt he's folding QQ+ to a raise here it leads to #2...

2) It tells you where you are in the hand. JJ+ will reraise your flop c/r a lot of the time. In the case that he does smooth call, you can proceed knowing that any overcard kills your hand and it's possible your behind a bigger pair. Making this reraise now will tell you much more about his hand and is much cheaper than calling all of his subsequent bets to the river.

It looks like you were taken to valuetown by a bigger overpair.

Also, I'm a uNLer - If my comments are way off-base please tell me.

Edit - Damnit he made my points before me and I look so much less intelligent.

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I like the CR approach quite a bit, actually. It snags a c-bet from whiffed overcards and against an unimaginitive opponent lets me know where I am. As long as I give up to any further aggression I pretty much think it's the solution to how to play in this spot....

I'll make my next hand post more interesting.

[minSim]

I think you played it fine, but I would fold the river. Because of his stats the turn can even be a fold.
As long as a flop raise isn't getting called by 99- it isn't good.

[Learning]

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I think you played it fine, but I would fold the river. Because of his stats the turn can even be a fold.
As long as a flop raise isn't getting called by 99- it isn't good.

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I respectfully disagree with calling the flop/turn and folding to a river bet. The 8 on the river doesn't aid our opponent's range in any way. I would agree with folding to an overcard, but calling the flop/turn and then giving up on the river for the same 2/3 pot bet is spew imho.

With the exception of a possible set, the opponent is betting the same hand he's had since before the flop.

[sokiraJ]

I fold turn since it looks like hes milking you with a bigger overpair. From his viewpoint the flop was small and dry and you probably wont any pp there.

[gimmetheloot]

fold river plz.

[gimmetheloot]

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I think you played it fine, but I would fold the river. Because of his stats the turn can even be a fold.
As long as a flop raise isn't getting called by 99- it isn't good.

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I respectfully disagree with calling the flop/turn and folding to a river bet. The 8 on the river doesn't aid our opponent's range in any way. I would agree with folding to an overcard, but calling the flop/turn and then giving up on the river for the same 2/3 pot bet is spew imho.

With the exception of a possible set, the opponent is betting the same hand he's had since before the flop.

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A quick question or two.
Do you fire two barrels as often as you cbet?
Do you send the third barrel as often as the second?

[Badgerpoo]

I 3b preflop, I think it makes it easier to play the hand oop. Failing that, I c/r the flop and usually fold to further aggression.