5/10 Huge fold

[TheJared]

FullTiltPoker Game #2510067291: Table Sun City (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:59:01 ET - 2007/05/25
Seat 1: life2limb ($2,485.55)
Seat 2: pmilanov ($1,370)
Seat 3: pokachump ($1,022)
Seat 4: BlackGoblin ($1,386.50)
Seat 5: ImAbOt ($646)
Seat 6: uisageezer ($1,596)
uisageezer posts the small blind of $5
life2limb posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BlackGoblin [Qh Kh]
pmilanov folds
pokachump folds
BlackGoblin raises to $35
ImAbOt folds
uisageezer folds
life2limb calls $25
*** FLOP *** [Qd Jd 5c]
life2limb checks
BlackGoblin bets $65
life2limb calls $65
*** TURN *** [Qd Jd 5c] [Kc]
life2limb checks
BlackGoblin bets $180
life2limb raises to $442
BlackGoblin has 15 seconds left to act
BlackGoblin calls $262
*** RIVER *** [Qd Jd 5c Kc] [4s]
life2limb bets $1,943.55, and is all in
BlackGoblin folds

I have been agressive 3-betting, attacking, and taking down pots so far this session in normal raised. I have 3-bet this villain light and he has done the same back. However, I feel I am behind his range on this river I dont think he follows through with semi-bluffs on this river given the pot size. I put him on AT, 9T most of the time and fold river.

Thoughts on all streets welcome.

[Mench]

I agree that his line is super strong and I like a fold here.

[cts]

I call

just hopin to see worse 2pair, nfd, random total bluff

[Moonshine]

I don't think it's a huge fold at all...he overbet pot on the river right??

It looks like you're huge from the line you took. Worse hands will value bet, not shove 2x pot. If he had a flush draw and you're super aggro he'd prob raise flop instead of waiting til turn...esp with stacks like this oop

i seriously think you see the nuts 50% and the 2nd nuts another 25%...

also if he was raising turn on a semi bluff he'd probably make it larger:

1. so you fold more often instead of peeling with good odds
2. so if you shove he's at least pot committed himself and doesnt have to make some awkward call/laydown

i do think it's somewhat strange though that he didnt just set himself up for a pot sized river bet/protect more against draws if he does indeed have the straight...

[cts]

...read stack sizes moon

[Moonshine]

ah, i hate it when people dont use converters...the street pot sizes are so important

i guess it's closer now but i still wanna fold. what are you putting him on here cole? just KJ?

[Overfloater]

id shove over turn cr to get value from pair+oesd/fd

[Moonshine]

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id shove over turn cr to get value from pair+oesd/fd

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ooh i kinda like

[captZEEbo]

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...read stack sizes moon

[/ QUOTE ]we should make a rule that on river shoves people have to change it to the effective river bet instead of what it normally says.

[Moonshine]

people should just use the lego poker converter. it's so easy and it takes like 3 seconds to do...