(6.5s) - KK against a raise + a call.

[vMario]

Hi!

My question is, how much should I raise if something like that occurs? Played ok?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 (t1815)
Hero (t1375)
CO (t770)
Button (t1425)
SB (t2090)
BB (t1440)
UTG (t2175)
UTG+1 (t915)
MP1 (t1495)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t120</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t120, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t390</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t915</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls t525.

Flop: (t2025) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t2025) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t2025) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t2025

[swingdoc]

Hmm, any reads at all on villain? Even stuff as simple as what hands he's shown down with? Sharkscope stats?

Readless, I assume villain is a donk and either play it about like you did or, less often, flat call villain's 120 and then bet about 1.5 times the pot on turn provided no aces or horribly coordinated board. Again, most of the time I would play just like you did, so I may get shot down by more experienced players with ya [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[vMario]

The main question is that how much should I add to a 3x raise if theres a raise caller?

[Kibby]

I tend to push against multiple opponents when the pot size gets to around 25% of my chip stack or so unless I have AA. Even with KK I want to make sure my opponents are paying heavily to see the flop. In this case I'd either make it 460 or so but I'd rather just push and get it all in there. Making it 460 pot commits both of you anyways on the flop so I like a push better.

[Jack-in-a-box]

Raise huge or push. If you raise less, these donks catch one of 3 aces and your hand is flawed. But if you raise huge it's better to go allin preflop

[vMario]

Hm, it's 2nd level, u really think that all-in is necessary?

[ger664]

I would raise this to t500 if I had a deeper stacked (3x the raise + dead money not including blinds).
However as this accounts for 1/3 of your stack which commits you to shoving on the flop, a shove will actually gain you more equity in the long term.
Villians will call with there Ax / small PP and fold to your bet on the flop when they miss or there is overcards, they will call your all-in with these holdings Pre Flop. This is kinda the reverse of a stop n go where you have more call equity Pre Flop.

[Kibby]

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Hm, it's 2nd level, u really think that all-in is necessary?

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Its not about it being the second level. Its about getting those damn chips.

[AMT]

depending on the table id either shove or make it 450-500. im not folding.

[Jbrochu]

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The main question is that how much should I add to a 3x raise if theres a raise caller?

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When putting in the first raise in the early rounds I usually go 3xBB + 1xBB for every limper.

If it's been raised in front of me I usually raise 2x the size of the current pot. In this case the pot is t315 so if I wanted to raise here I would raise to t600. In this case since t600 is just about half your stack, and this is a $6.50 so a shove is likely to get called, I would just shove.