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Old 08-14-2007, 12:34 AM
MaverickUSC MaverickUSC is offline
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Default Sunday Million Final Table Hand - call or shove all-in?

Aight... I was sweating my buddy at the FT, and here's the situation. Average is ~7.5mil, hero has 4.5mil and is 7th(of 9) in chips. Blinds 150-300k/30ishk. Short stack open shoves for 1.5mil MP, Hero is on c/o w/TT, stacks behind are 7.5mil, 10mil, 11mil. We were discussing whether hero should re-shove or flat call with the intention of folding to a shove behind.

I felt like calling was silly cause we'd be getting 3-1 if somebody shoved behind and folding is so weak-tight there. Also, by us calling, we're giving the blinds good odds to see a flop with a KQish type hand. Two players who's tourney game I respect though have opted for a call/fold line on the flop.

Thoughts?

Devo
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:37 AM
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Default Re: Sunday Million Final Table Hand - call or shove all-in?

reshove there seems really standard.
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Old 08-14-2007, 01:37 AM
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Default Re: Sunday Million Final Table Hand - call or shove all-in?

Yea, this is obv a shove, I don't see the rationale of smooth calling here at all.
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Old 08-14-2007, 06:04 AM
MaverickUSC MaverickUSC is offline
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Default Re: Sunday Million Final Table Hand - call or shove all-in?

Agreed. But, I can see the other side... what's the range of people re-re-shoving on us? Can we muck getting 3-1ish based on their range? Money is moving up quick too at the FT... 8k for 9th, 189k for first... 8, 13, 21, 30, etc....

I agreed that the play was a re-shove, but with enough people saying just call I wanted to give that line more look.

Devo
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Old 08-14-2007, 06:17 AM
Bikini Wax Bikini Wax is offline
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Default Re: Sunday Million Final Table Hand - call or shove all-in?

standard shove...
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Old 08-14-2007, 07:08 AM
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Default Re: Sunday Million Final Table Hand - call or shove all-in?

Jesus Christ. Calling and folding is horribly horribly horrid.

Shove >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>Cold call/fold (both of which really suck). Short stack has 5 BBs, his range is pretty wide.

Don't make bad plays just cause it's the Million FT. I'm not sure I would respect these two players' opinions too much if they advocate call/folding with giant odds.
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Old 08-14-2007, 09:56 AM
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Default Re: Sunday Million Final Table Hand - call or shove all-in?

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Jesus Christ. Calling and folding is horribly horribly horrid.

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Old 08-14-2007, 11:23 AM
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Default Re: Sunday Million Final Table Hand - call or shove all-in?

all-in, your M here is like 6 or 7
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:54 PM
BKiCe BKiCe is offline
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Default Re: Sunday Million Final Table Hand - call or shove all-in?

if this was the FT of a $109 freezeout, would you even be asking this?

such a standard shove
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Old 08-14-2007, 01:23 PM
Cornell Fiji Cornell Fiji is offline
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Default Re: Sunday Million Final Table Hand - call or shove all-in?

Devo,
Calling and folding if someone comes over the top of us pf is horrible because it is possible that someone could shove with AK/AQ... but you know that
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